The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	"Meanwhile in Redcar, the steelworks had been shut" And next; "Brexit decision piles pressure on Tata British steelworks" "uncertainty following Britain's referendum vote raised the chances Tata would close its biggest British plant." Source

That's the point exactly. We're arguably in a worse situation now because they didn't give a toss about some poor white northern monkeys morning about their jobs earlier. The responsibility for the mess lies directly at the door of the London based privately educated establishment elite.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	marton
	Senior Vote Leave sources on Friday made clear that Mr Farage would not be invited to join the committee negotiating the Brexit. The UK Independence Party leader said that he would use his position as head of the Ukip group in the European Parliament – the biggest group of British MEPs – to ensure he had a say over the terms of British breakaway from the EU. Surely the UKIP MEPs will resign now? Source

I'm undecided as to whether Farage would be a help or hindrance. But I guess this is UK politics now...

[adrianlondon]

	Quote:	Mikers
	That's the point exactly. We're arguably in a worse situation now because they didn't give a toss about some poor white northern monkeys morning about their jobs earlier. The responsibility for the mess lies directly at the door of the London based privately educated establishment elite.

"Our jobs are not secure - we don't like this, so we'll vote to make sure we're all terminated and unemployed. That'll show 'em!". ??

[manwithnoname]

	Quote:	marton
	"benefits the wealthy (cheap labour)" You know about the UK National Minimum Wage law?

you get minimum wage! and you get minimum wage! and you! and you! everybody gets minimum wage!!

[marton]

How the World sees us!

It reads "only the British could colonise half the world and then leave the EU because they do not welcome immigrants* (improved translations welcome!)

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Why would we not succeed? Do you honestly think this Brexit means the demise of the United Kingdom? Get real.

I don't think it means the demise.


I do think it means a difficult period for the next 2-10 years (depending on how crap the politicians are and what the rest of the world economy does to itself).


I remember visiting union shops in the '80s (Glasgow, Mersey) I sincerely hope that the country has learned the lessons of that era.


Scotland will go off into neverendum, or try to. NI will try to find a way to muddle through, and Wales will continue to speak funny and sing well.

Will Westminster hurry on and set Brussels free, do you think? Or will they drag this out?

Brussels seems determined to carry on with EU business as if nothing has happened.

A. Merkel and François Hollande are the only ones calling for the EU to reform in order to 'survive a traumatic divorce with Britain'
Schulz, Tusk and Juncker have not mentioned a word about reforms.

Scotland can go if they want, but as Ruth Davidson said, the 1. 6 million votes cast in this referendum in favour of remain, do not wipe away the 2 million votes that were less than two years ago to remain part of the U.K.

Seems strange to me why you'd want to move away from being run by London only to be under control from Brussels. The money they get from the EU certainly wouldn't match that which England sends north.

As for Norn Iron, no one wants that place. Now that really does cost a fortune.

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Will Westminster hurry on and set Brussels free, do you think? Or will they drag this out? Brussels seems determined to carry on with EU business as if nothing has happened. A. Merkel and François Hollande are the only ones calling for the EU to reform in order to 'survive a traumatic divorce with Britain' Schulz, Tusk and Juncker have not mentioned a word about reforms.

I don't think it's a case of dragging it out or hurrying it up. I hope DC and the new leader will do what is best for the UK and allow it to take as long as it needs to.

I think it's absolutely right to not invoke article 50 until a new PM is in place.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Scotland can go if they want, but as Ruth Davidson said, the 1. 6 million votes cast in this referendum in favour of remain, do not wipe away the 2 million votes that were less than two years ago to remain part of the U.K.

That may well be true. I know many 'NO' voters from the independence referendum who were adamant to remain in the UK to the point of going door to door to houses with YES posters to persuade them to change their minds, who would vote YES to independence after the BREXIT.

Emotions are raw but being in Scotland just now I get the feeling that a indyref 2 would be a landslide YES now.

A big part of the NO campaign in Scotland was that we are guaranteed EU membership if we stay in the UK.

All a big mess now, and I suspect any deal with the EU will be very similar to what the UK has now, but will involve us paying more and getting no rebates.

Well well well...

https://twitter.com/uk__news/status/746695834759270400

	Quote:	adrianlondon
	"Our jobs are not secure - we don't like this, so we'll vote to make sure we're all terminated and unemployed. That'll show 'em!". ??

Copyright Arthur Scargill, circa 1982 ?

Tory MPs question Boris Johnson's leadership credentials

Theresa May has returned. Perfect timing

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	"The Jungle" Really? You're kidding, right? Cooing at dogs and including "harmony" in your moniker evidently does not make you a particularly balanced human being.

Are you perhaps unaware that 'the jungle' is the nickname often used for the unofficial refugee camps around the Calais terminal areas? I don't think Cath was using it to refer to France, or Europe in general.

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Well well well... https://twitter.com/uk__news/status/746695834759270400

Nothing new. Was the same story during Indy ref 1

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:
	Are you perhaps unaware that 'the jungle' is the nickname often used for the unofficial refugee camps around the Calais terminal areas? I don't think Cath was using it to refer to France, or Europe in general.

I am.


I was trying to indicate that immigrants aren't the problem. I hold that the problems the UK is facing have been there since long before the Calais camp, although it does represent a tempting straw man to react to.

[CathHarmony]

So whos telling statistics porkies about immigration.

the dont worry about immigration, dont believe what your experience or eyes are telling you about it guys
or
the migrant watch, house of lords guys. is that net tax gain all it appears to be? to some people 5BN GBP seems like a lot of money, its not to me

Bear in mind house prices to incomes were at an average multiple of 8.8 times income in 2014, you can only imagine what it is now. So the most basic need, even before food, 'shelter', is out of the reach of most people.

what is everyone expecting

turn the uk into hong kong, start paving it over and give up on any quality of life?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	MidfieldGeneral
	Farage admits the Brexit campaign was based on a big lie: https://youtu.be/cA3XTYfzd1I EU want Britain out asap, so much for the 'they need us' argument: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...european-union My two cents fwiw: I blame the politicians and not the voters for Brexit, this was essentially a protest vote for everything. Also: 1. Labour for abandoning their voter base for decades. Corbyn for sleeping during the campaign and failing to show any enthusiasm for Remain. The arrogance of Blairite MPs who lost touch with their electorate e.g Keith Vaz 2. Cameron for leading an appalling Campaign and for leading a government which has cut expenditure causing such discontent 3. Farage for lying and stoking up hatred against immigrants 4. BoJo for his opportunism. He had that look of ' oh God what have I done' outside his door. I still don't think he believes in Brexit 5. The EU politicians for still not getting why there is dissatisfaction with the EU project nor do they seem willing to change I know its easy to blame politicians but I think people are fed up and want politicians working for them. I think the demographic voting distributions say it all.

Excellent post, MG. As for the "EU wants Britain out" asap I tend to believe that there's a war of declarations at this moment.
Juncker et co., who've been also on the wrong in a few situations, should refrain from it....

[marton]

	Quote:	adrianlondon
	"Our jobs are not secure - we don't like this, so we'll vote to make sure we're all terminated and unemployed. That'll show 'em!". ??

	Quote:
	Copyright Arthur Scargill, circa 1982 ?

Ford considers UK job cuts after Brexit vote as carmakers eye future. Country produces 1.6m autos annually, mostly for export The group, which closed two UK plants in 2012 with the loss of thousands of jobs, said it “will take whatever action is needed” to keep its operations competitive. BMW said there would be “no immediate change”.

Could be another Leave success

Here is the threat:

EU Parliament: No deal for a new EU-UK relationship before Brexit activation

What did you expect? And have you ever bothered to read article 50?

This is not just affecting the UK, but the rest of Europe and beyond- no wonder they don't want the uncertainty to fester.