The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	maybe a more relevant question would be, why are there EU countries that still have legislation that discriminates inheritance law according to nationality?

I thought you'd be all for an EU member state enacting it's own laws instead of conforming to an EU norm. In my friend's case, holding a passport for the EU country where one of her inheritances is means that the estate will be dealt with according to local law and will be subject to only 5% inheritance tax.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Did you listen to Loz?

I did because he challenged my opinions, and I was waiting for that moment when he absolutely nailed his point enough to make me question my own.

[Blueangel]

Two reportedly 'breaking stories', which aren't breaking if you've been following the shenanigans...

	Quote:
	Nigel Farage offers no-deal Brexit election pact to Boris Johnson The Brexit Party leader says he is putting pressure on the PM because otherwise the chance of no-deal in October would be "zero".

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-far...hnson-11795349

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	Anti-no deal coalition 'backs forcing PM to delay Brexit through law'

https://news.sky.com/story/anti-no-d...h-law-11795370

And here we are yet again.... Everything still on the table and everything still to play for. Let the silly season commence

[amogles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I thought you'd be all for an EU member state enacting it's own laws instead of conforming to an EU norm. In my friend's case, holding a passport for the EU country where one of her inheritances is means that the estate will be dealt with according to local law and will be subject to only 5% inheritance tax.

That's not at all the same thing as saying there is a law saying she cannot inherit anything on account of her passport.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Two reportedly 'breaking stories', which aren't breaking if you've been following the shenanigans... https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-far...hnson-11795349 https://news.sky.com/story/anti-no-d...h-law-11795370 And here we are yet again.... Everything still on the table and everything still to play for. Let the silly season commence

It should be pretty clear by now that Boris is steering towards a no-deal scenario. I don't think that is necessarily because that's what he personally wants, but because it's the only workable option left on the table. The time and credibility to demand anything else are running out. Apparently there is nobody out there of any stature or weight who genuinely wanted to champion a sensible Brexit deal that people could genuinely get excited about. So surprise, surprise, it didn't happen.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	amogles
	It should be pretty clear by now that Boris is steering towards a no-deal scenario. I don't think that is necessarily because that's what he personally wants, but because it's the only workable option left on the table.

Ironically, I think the best way for BJ to remain prime minister is probably to revoke A50 and turn back time to 24 June 2016 and do the proper work that should have been done then, conduct the cross-party consultation that should have been done originally and arrive at a consensus route forward (which of course requires no red lines up front), then go to GE in 2022 on that manifesto, spikes DUP guns. Brexit Party will be incandescent but what can they do? They have no MPs. This parliament has 3 years left on its term and revoking would probably take VoNC off the table. If you conduct the cross-party consultation and get a consensus - which I suspect would look something like joining EFTA - then you actually put yourself in a position of potentially not even needing a WA or major negotiation with the EU.

The question is, where is BJ's skin in the game? Money or ego?

[amogles]

	Quote:	eng_ch
	Ironically, I think the best way for BJ to remain prime minister is probably to revoke A50 and turn back time to 24 June 2016 and do the proper work that should have been done then, conduct the cross-party consultation that should have been done originally and arrive at a consensus route forward (which of course requires no red lines up front), then go to GE in 2022 on that manifesto, spikes DUP guns. Brexit Party will be incandescent but what can they do? They have no MPs. This parliament has 3 years left on its term and revoking would probably take VoNC off the table. If you conduct the cross-party consultation and get a consensus - which I suspect would look something like joining EFTA - then you actually put yourself in a position of potentially not even needing a WA or major negotiation with the EU. The question is, where is BJ's skin in the game? Money or ego?

Boris can't do that, even if maybe he wants to, because the Tory party as it is now won't survive three years in government if they don't deliver on Brexit. Be it by MP defections or bi-elections, the very narrow majority they have will be whittled away.

The time during which alternatives should have been discussed and analyzed was wasted. The clock cannot be turned back without the Tory party being wrecked in the process. So Boris' only path to political survival is to get the whole Brexit thing behind him as quickly as possible and then rebuild popularity by doing cool stuff, a bit like back when he was mayor of London.

The LibDems on the other hand would stand a lot to gain from Tory suicide so yes, they do want something along those lines. And who can blame them. Who wouldn't hand over the gun when your political opponent wants to shoot himself in the foot?

What Labour wants is anybody's guess.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	That's not at all the same thing as saying there is a law saying she cannot inherit anything on account of her passport.

When her inheritance is a plot of farm land with a farmhouse, woodland and a stretch of river, in her case such property is not allowed to be owned by a foreign national and the state would compensate for the loss of inheritance. Thus, she must maintain her citizenship of that country to be eligible to inherit.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	amogles
	Boris can't do that, even if maybe he wants to, because the Tory party as it is now won't survive three years in government if they don't deliver on Brexit. Be it by MP defections or bi-elections, the very narrow majority they have will be whittled away.

Whilst I can't disagree with the rest of your post, it wouldn't be the first and sure as heck wouldn't be the last time a party governed as a minority. And I venture to suggest they'd find much more traction for some form of coalition or confidence & supply agreement, not to mention more electable, if they moved back towards the centre (cf New Labour). Or - shock horror - propose some policies that the rest of parliament can get behind without the need for formal coalition/C&S.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	When her inheritance is a plot of farm land with a farmhouse, woodland and a stretch of river, in her case such property is not allowed to be owned by a foreign national and the state would compensate for the loss of inheritance. Thus, she must maintain her citizenship of that country to be eligible to inherit.

You can't have anything in life, she has made an informed choice & has not got a British passport & must accept any consequences.

[Jdr]

Party for those in NL that want to wave off the UK on Brexit day !

www.brexitaanzee.nl/

Jos

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Jdr
	Party for those in NL that want to wave off the UK on Brexit day ! www.brexitaanzee.nl/

Only a question of time before another country gets serious about leaving.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Did you listen to Loz?

For far too long, sadly. I only got the relative peace and quiet afforded by an ignore listing a few days before he tossed the toys out of the pram.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Clocker
	Only a question of time before another country gets serious about leaving.

The Netherlands was serious about leaving (Geert Wilders? Nexit?). I always hoped that they're do it first as a lesson for the UK. You don't appear to be well up on the history of these things.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	The Netherlands was serious about leaving (Geert Wilders? Nexit?). I always hoped that they're do it first as a lesson for the UK. You don't appear to be well up on the history of these things.

Netherlands has never been serious about leaving.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Netherlands has never been serious about leaving.

Oh yes they were. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_...European_Union

Funny how the poll result reveresed in July 2016.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Oh yes they were. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_...European_Union Funny how the poll result reveresed in July 2016.

Thanks for proving my point.i

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	When her inheritance is a plot of farm land with a farmhouse, woodland and a stretch of river, in her case such property is not allowed to be owned by a foreign national and the state would compensate for the loss of inheritance. Thus, she must maintain her citizenship of that country to be eligible to inherit.

Would a British citizen be allowed to buy that kind of properties in Europe after a no-deal agreement?

I know one person in this discussion who made no secret they bough smth. similar in Hungary, wonder if they woke up and wanted to do that later...

I don't think it would have been that easy in the absence of these agreements, simply being a British would have not sufficed, despite of what some very entitled and "superior" people might think.

[John William]

Breaking news - Government to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

[Clocker]

	Quote:	John William
	Breaking news - Government to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

About time.

MPs are unlikely to have time to pass any laws that could stop the prime minister taking the UK out of the EU without a deal on 31 October.
A No 10 source said: "It's time a new government and new PM set out a plan for the country after we leave the EU."

[amogles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	I know one person in this discussion who made no secret they bough smth. similar in Hungary, wonder if they woke up and wanted to do that later...

I know Americans, South Africans, Russians, Indians who have bought or are presently buying in Hungary. I also know several Brits who own properties in Florida, in Kenya, in Argentina even. Most countries really don't care about your passport when you buy a property.

Heck, I even know a German who bought a place on Crimea back when it was still Ukraine. Now it's Russia (sort of) and still nobody has challenged his right to own that property, and probably nobody ever will. Still vacations there regularly.