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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 28.08.2019, 22:39
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A motion is brought up in parliament and after debating about it the house gets to vote about it. If it passes the government must resign or call elections.

May survived such vote in January.

I tbh find this as for tactical moves a brilliant master move from Boris.
According to The Sun (reliable? probably not?) the govt would just ignore the no confidence vote and call an election for after Brexit.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...ection-brexit/

I have to agree he's trying to scare the pants off the EU and get them to come with a new deal. After today one has to believe he will deliver Brexit, with or without a deal.
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Old 28.08.2019, 22:42
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A motion is brought up in parliament and after debating about it the house gets to vote about it. If it passes the government must resign or call elections.

May survived such vote in January.

I tbh find this as for tactical moves a brilliant master move from Boris.
I think I read today that the Speaker would support this motion (allow it, not vote). It is high stakes though isn't it.

A political commemtator on BBC News just now suggested it could be a way of wiping the slate clean after the break and start again re Brexit.
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According to The Sun (reliable? probably not?) the govt would just ignore the no confidence vote and call an election for after Brexit.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...ection-brexit/

I have to agree he's trying to scare the pants off the EU and get them to come with a new deal. After today one has to believe he will deliver Brexit, with or without a deal.
Can't ignore it if a majority vote No Confidence. It's General Election time. (The Sun is a rag. Couldn't find a decent political point with both hands and Greta Thunberg navigating).


FYI, gov't has to dissolve 25 days before the GE following a vote of no confidence. Tight but possible.

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Old 28.08.2019, 22:46
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According to The Sun (reliable? probably not?) the govt would just ignore the no confidence vote and call an election for after Brexit.
Nope, they are not ignoring it (which is legally impossible btw), but they have a choice, step down and see if a new government can be formed or simply call for new elections and let the people decide, which is what they'll do. They are however allowed to call the elections after October so it will not change anything for Brexit.
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I have to agree he's trying to scare the pants off the EU and get them to come with a new deal. After today one has to believe he will deliver Brexit, with or without a deal.
Oh I believed right away that he was able to deliver it. Maybe not the best politician in general, but this he can do. And I don't think it in particular is against the EU that is merely a side-effect. It is more against his political opponents who would prefer to delay and delay and eventually just cancel the whole thing. The EU is so full of itself that they really don't care if there is a deal or not. They know that if there is no deal and the UK would take an economical hit it will come to them to start negotiations again.
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Old 28.08.2019, 22:51
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Nope, they are not ignoring it (which is legally impossible btw), but they have a choice, step down and see if a new government can be formed or simply call for new elections and let the people decide, which is what they'll do. They are however allowed to call the elections after October so it will not change anything for Brexit.

Oh I believed right away that he was able to deliver it. Maybe not the best politician in general, but this he can do. And I don't think it in particular is against the EU that is merely a side-effect. It is more against his political opponents who would prefer to delay and delay and eventually just cancel the whole thing. The EU is so full of itself that they really don't care if there is a deal or not. They know that if there is no deal and the UK would take an economical hit it will come to them to start negotiations again.
I think they have to have a GE 25 working days if that becomes the route. Unless I'm misremembering. Will Google.


Edit: 14 working day wait plus 25 working days until a GE. Very tight as apparently earliest a vote could happen is 4th Sept. They'd have to delay Brexit. There wouldn't be any Body to sort it at that time. Unless my maths is seriously out.
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Old 28.08.2019, 22:53
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Oh I believed right away that he was able to deliver it. Maybe not the best politician in general, but this he can do.
He’s basically bolted the doors of parliament and shut down any opposition in order to force his no deal through. That doesn’t take political talent or any kind of balls.

Anyone ‘can do it’ if you pull rank and remove any risk of opposition.
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He’s basically bolted the doors of parliament and shut down any opposition in order to force his no deal through. That doesn’t take political talent or any kind of balls.

Anyone ‘can do it’ if you pull rank and remove any risk of opposition.
And it's not Boris either, this situation and turn of events has D. Cummings grubby little hands all over it. He's the dangerous one.
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Old 28.08.2019, 23:17
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And it's not Boris either, this situation and turn of events has D. Cummings grubby little hands all over it. He's the dangerous one.
All of his lot are dangerous.
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Old 28.08.2019, 23:31
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Did May face a vote of no confidence and survive?
She faced two.

On 12 December 2018, she survived a vote of no confidence in her as leader of the Conservative Party which was ERG led. I clearly remember it because I'd just been the British Ambassador's residence and was wandering round ZRH departures looking for a charge point for my phone awaiting the result.

Second one was an opposition led vote of no confidence in her government.

Who gets to vote depends on which type of vote it is, internal party or opposition led.

For anyone interested, Joanna Cherry QC MP was on Channel 4 news and will be on Newsnight on BBC2 at 10.30pm GMT. She's the SNP MP who has launched one of the actions that could possibly prevent proroguing.
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Old 28.08.2019, 23:36
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The headlines and newspapers around the world are going to be interesting tomorrow.

The New European:

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All of his lot are dangerous.
This might be a minor thing to many, but it really pisses me off that there's not a single person with a science background in the cabinet, particularly when so many of the supply routes that will be heavily affected are in that area of the economy.

Edit: Gina Miller's is also going to the courts to prevent proroguing, so that makes 4 legal routes now being actively explored.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...VI2EY?rpc=401&
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Old 28.08.2019, 23:56
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I found a thread to cheer me up after this fooked up day.

I can Brexit no longer.. until tomorrow folks.

Hugh Grant does his nut. The comments are priceless

https://twitter.com/HackedOffHugh/st...40030947287040
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Old 29.08.2019, 00:06
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He’s basically bolted the doors of parliament and shut down any opposition in order to force his no deal through. That doesn’t take political talent or any kind of balls.

Anyone ‘can do it’ if you pull rank and remove any risk of opposition.
Opposition of what? of the minority that still can not accept a referendum outcome?

isn't this what Britain wanted?
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Opposition of what? of the minority that still can not accept a referendum outcome?

isn't this what Britain wanted?
Opposition to the prorogation of Parliament. This is nothing, technically, to do with the referendum. Folk aren't keen on an unelected PM basically doing as he pleases without checks and balances.

Would you like to enlighten me as to why leaving is so good? I've not had any proper answers yet.
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Old 29.08.2019, 00:27
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Opposition to the prorogation of Parliament. This is nothing, technically, to do with the referendum. Folk aren't keen on an unelected PM basically doing as he pleases without checks and balances.

Would you like to enlighten me as to why leaving is so good? I've not had any proper answers yet.
It isn’t good, it’s rubbish. But that’s not his question. His question is whether Britain voted for this, which they did.
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It isn’t good, it’s rubbish. But that’s not his question. His question is whether Britain voted for this, which they did.
Britain voted to leave the EU. Not a no deal and certainly not a prorogued parliament and the hellish circus that is Johnson.

V asked opposition to what? I answered: prorogation, not leaving. Maybe read back a few more posts before leaping to someone's defence eh?

Nowhere, not on the ballot paper nor the bloody bus, was this shitstorm written.
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Britain voted to leave the EU
Exactly.
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Nowhere, not on the ballot paper nor the bloody bus, was this shitstorm written.
Also nowhere was it denied, everybody could have known that leaving would become a shitstorm one way or the other.

And by now it is more than 3 years ago that the people spoke out that they want to leave, about time it should happen deal or no deal.

And as for deal, what does the opposition think they can do, they are up against a much stronger negotiating partner who even might benefit from a chaos as big as possible since it might discourage others to also leave. If leaving would go perfect and without pain, the Netherlands could be next.
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And by now it is more than 3 years ago that the people spoke out that they want to leave, about time it should happen deal or no deal.
You seem to forget that the UK has at least in theory a parliamentary democracy and that after the advisory referendum a GE was held which failed to give a mandate to no party to carry out Brexit. So either the UK has a sovereign parliament to which control should be returned or not. And if there no sovereign parliament then control is handed to a rabble!
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