The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[StirB]

	Quote:	Today only
	This thread is metter than Brexit !! 1090 pages, each with an average of 20 posts means a total of.....wait for it about 21'800 posts....... Carry on but it's all jaw jaw and no real action, for whatever faults Boris may have, and that would be another 20'000 posts at least, he is trying to what he said he would and finalise Brexit by 31 Oct, whatever the outcome

I hope this thread gets closed the instant Brexit happens, otherwise there will be a lot of crowing and "I told you so".

[Today only]

	Quote:	StirB
	I hope this thread gets closed the instant Brexit happens, otherwise there will be a lot of crowing and "I told you so".

Told you so

[Mikers]

	Quote:	StirB
	I hope this thread gets closed the instant Brexit happens, otherwise there will be a lot of crowing and "I told you so".

It needs to stay open. There are lots of people on this thread who actively want the UK to fail - it will make them happy if the UK suffers and people become unemployed. They are looking forward to the misery that will ensue following a departure without an agreement.

They must have their moment to crow majestically.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	I wouldn't be as bothered about doing trade with the EU as I would be about getting utterly shafted by the US and China.

It does not matter what kind of a deal they get from Trump, it will not get past congress without a solution to the GFA problem. Pelosi may be an Italian name, but her son-in-law is from Co. Wicklow and her grand kids are Irish, do your really granny is go want to have to explain to the grand kids how she FUed the GFA...

Next year is election year in the US and for Irish politicians it will be summer holidays in the US coordinated by the Irish Embassy to ensure they are well spread around and sure they'll make a few searches and visit a few Irish centres... even the 45 Republic Senators will to back a trade deal will start to decline.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Today only
	Carry on but it's all jaw jaw and no real action, for whatever faults Boris may have, and that would be another 20'000 posts at least, he is trying to what he said he would and finalise Brexit by 31 Oct, whatever the outcome

And the price will be democracy, but it will only come due when Corbyn or his successor uses the same tactic to get something past parliament. And unlike Johnson, Corbyn will have a stronger case for it - the Johnson precedent!

[baboon]

	Quote:	Mikers
	There are lots of people on this thread who actively want the UK to fail - it will make them happy if the UK suffers and people become unemployed.

Funny...for me and I suspect all the other main remain protagonists on this thread, the reason we don't want a hard Brexit is precisely because we DON'T want the UK to fail.

[StirB]

	Quote:	baboon
	Funny...for me and I suspect all the other main remain protagonists on this thread, the reason we don't want a hard Brexit is precisely because we DON'T want the UK to fail.

It's like watching a child stretching their hand into a fire, but you can't do anything about it.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	baboon
	Funny...for me and I suspect all the other main remain protagonists on this thread, the reason we don't want a hard Brexit is precisely because we DON'T want the UK to fail.

Can the UK fail more than it does now?

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	baboon
	Funny...for me and I suspect all the other main remain protagonists on this thread, the reason we don't want a hard Brexit is precisely because we DON'T want the UK to fail.

Yup, I've got friends and family in the UK and I don't want their lives tipped upside down.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Mikers
	It needs to stay open. There are lots of people on this thread who actively want the UK to fail - it will make them happy if the UK suffers and people become unemployed. They are looking forward to the misery that will ensue following a departure without an agreement. They must have their moment to crow majestically.

This.

And to further prove Mikers' point:

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Can the UK fail more than it does now?

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	RufusB
	This. And to further prove Mikers' point:

I don't want them to fail. I just really wonder as it's a mess.

[bigblue2]

I've not seen anyone say or imply they want the uk to fail, what a lot of people can see is a hard brexit (or any brexit) is going to cost the uk A LOT a lot of jobs will go, a lot of grief at the ports and airports, a lot of grief for businesses.

In the short to medium term project fear is project reality, and I really hope the UK public learn from this monumental feck up, and they start to hold the politicians to account, this is a nasty dangerous road we've been led down where is seems these 'people' can say whatever the hell they like and with a shrug of the shoulders or a cheeky grin just get away with it, the statements they made were not ambiguous or open to interpretation, they were out and out lies, and they have continued to lie and lie again

sorry to link to sky news but

https://news.sky.com/story/mad-what-...ament-11796754

on the record and yet they have no qualms about staying in the cabinet, total asshats the lot of them

One mans quest for power has screwed a generation

[RufusB]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	I've not seen anyone say or imply they want the uk to fail, what a lot of people can see is a hard brexit (or any brexit) is going to cost the uk A LOT a lot of jobs will go, a lot of grief at the ports and airports, a lot of grief for businesses. In the short to medium term project fear is project reality, and I really hope the UK public learn from this monumental feck up, and they start to hold the politicians to account, this is a nasty dangerous road we've been led down where is seems these 'people' can say whatever the hell they like and with a shrug of the shoulders or a cheeky grin just get away with it, the statements they made where not ambiguous or open to interpretation, they were out and out lies, and they have continued to lie and lie again sorry to link to sky news but https://news.sky.com/story/mad-what-...ament-11796754 on the record and yet they have no qualms about staying in the cabinet, total asshats the lot of them One mans quest for power has screwed a generation

This. Apart from the first bit: it's there. Quite a lot.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I don't want them to fail. I just really wonder as it's a mess.

I think there is a spectrum of views in truth which is why its such a complete disaster.

In football, you can get injured. You can get injured from a horrendous tackle, but the most common way to get injured is not being committed: Going in unsure, perhaps trying to back out when its too late, changing direction at the last second. these product the nastiest injuries.

Its the same principle all along. The original question was stupid - everyone agrees that now - but it went ahead. A decision was made. At that point we had to start going ahead going full on for leaving the EU, with confidence, with determination. If we had all been behind the UK doing that, we might have got somewhere.

instead Theresa May performed possibly one of the worst tackles in the history of political football, changing direction as if on commission and endlessly giving in to EU concessions. She was suitably injured, in the political sense and had to be taken off to see the queen on a stretcher.

In comes our Tony Adams of it all, Boris Bruiser Johnson, who is taking the legendary Arsenal's defenders approach of going in with both feet, studs up. the EU might recognize this is a dangerous tackle, however as we know, the EU is itself something of a Beckenbaur and can handle itself on the pitch, so right now its still charging forward waiting for impact.

Of course the crowd, us, are horrified at the impending clash. A few of the extreme supporters are looking forward to the crunch, thinking the Germans will get whats coming to them. Most are looking on in horror. Johnson is gong in too quickly, too fast and its dangerous. Will he come out with the ball ? We may be about to find out.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I think there is a spectrum of views in truth which is why its such a complete disaster. In football, you can get injured. You can get injured from a horrendous tackle, but the most common way to get injured is not being committed: Going in unsure, perhaps trying to back out when its too late, changing direction at the last second. these product the nastiest injuries. Its the same principle all along. The original question was stupid - everyone agrees that now - but it went ahead. A decision was made. At that point we had to start going ahead going full on for leaving the EU, with confidence, with determination. If we had all been behind the UK doing that, we might have got somewhere. instead Theresa May performed possibly one of the worst tackles in the history of political football, changing direction as if on commission and endlessly giving in to EU concessions. She was suitably injured, in the political sense and had to be taken off to see the queen on a stretcher. In comes our Tony Adams of it all, Boris Bruiser Johnson, who is taking the legendary Arsenal's defenders approach of going in with both feet, studs up. the EU might recognize this is a dangerous tackle, however as we know, the EU is itself something of a Beckenbaur and can handle itself on the pitch, so right now its still charging forward waiting for impact. Of course the crowd, us, are horrified at the impending clash. A few of the extreme supporters are looking forward to the crunch, thinking the Germans will get whats coming to them. Most are looking on in horror. Johnson is gong in too quickly, too fast and its dangerous. Will he come out with the ball ? We may be about to find out.

OMG, that's epic!

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I think there is a spectrum of views in truth which is why its such a complete disaster. In football, you can get injured. You can get injured from a horrendous tackle, but the most common way to get injured is not being committed: Going in unsure, perhaps trying to back out when its too late, changing direction at the last second. these product the nastiest injuries. Its the same principle all along. The original question was stupid - everyone agrees that now - but it went ahead. A decision was made. At that point we had to start going ahead going full on for leaving the EU, with confidence, with determination. If we had all been behind the UK doing that, we might have got somewhere. instead Theresa May performed possibly one of the worst tackles in the history of political football, changing direction as if on commission and endlessly giving in to EU concessions. She was suitably injured, in the political sense and had to be taken off to see the queen on a stretcher. In comes our Tony Adams of it all, Boris Bruiser Johnson, who is taking the legendary Arsenal's defenders approach of going in with both feet, studs up. the EU might recognize this is a dangerous tackle, however as we know, the EU is itself something of a Beckenbaur and can handle itself on the pitch, so right now its still charging forward waiting for impact. Of course the crowd, us, are horrified at the impending clash. A few of the extreme supporters are looking forward to the crunch, thinking the Germans will get whats coming to them. Most are looking on in horror. Johnson is gong in too quickly, too fast and its dangerous. Will he come out with the ball ? We may be about to find out.

And Mikers wins the internet today!

[Swisstree]

	Quote:	Mikers
	It needs to stay open. There are lots of people on this thread who actively want the UK to fail - it will make them happy if the UK suffers and people become unemployed. They are looking forward to the misery that will ensue following a departure without an agreement. They must have their moment to crow majestically.

Oh don't say that! It's heartbreaking.. the damage that will hit us. I live near the A3 and M3/Portsmouth, Southampton and both ports have warned that the funding they've received recently is too little too late. They are extremely worried as they do not have the infrastructure, resources, trained staff to cope. Resources are tight anyway and services fragile with years of relentless austerity, can't imagine it getting any worse to be honest.

Ignorance is rife.. and from folks who should know better.

I often laugh and joke about it, but then I don't know what else to do.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Oh don't say that! It's heartbreaking.. the damage that will hit us. I live near the A3 and M3/Portsmouth, Southampton and both ports have warned that the funding they've received recently is too little too late. They are extremely worried as they do not have the infrastructure, resources, trained staff to cope. Resources are tight anyway and services fragile with years of relentless austerity, can't imagine it getting any worse to be honest. Ignorance is rife.. and from folks who should know better. I often laugh and joke about it, but then I don't know what else to do.

buy one of those caravan cafe's and park up on any layby leading to the port, this time next year you'll be a millionaire, but it'll be a gbp millionaire so don't get too excited

[amogles]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And the price will be democracy, but it will only come due when Corbyn or his successor uses the same tactic to get something past parliament. And unlike Johnson, Corbyn will have a stronger case for it - the Johnson precedent!

on this much I agree.

[Castro]

Putting my disdain of Johnson to one side, I think he is playing a high stakes game to get parliament to support the Withdrawal Agreement with some minor amendments.

Ruth Davidson actually called it right in her resignation speech. He needs a Queen's Speech to reset parliament to bring a thrice defeated bill back to them, because the alternative 'No Deal' precipice will surely focus minds on backing this compromise.

This is the legacy he wants, the man who save the country from disaster because I don't believe he is an 'Ultra'.