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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 04.09.2019, 23:46
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In case you missed it!!
Boris Johnson has suffered another big loss, with the Commons rejecting his motion calling for a general election.

Ayes:298 (needed two thirds of 650; 434)

Noes: 56

And the No-deal bill passed!

Edit; Where do we go from here ??
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Old 04.09.2019, 23:52
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In case you missed it!!
Boris Johnson has suffered another big loss, with the Commons rejecting his motion calling for a general election.

Ayes:298 (needed two thirds of 650; 434)

Noes: 56

And the No-deal bill passed!

Edit; Where do we go from here ??
What? The rest abstained?
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Old 05.09.2019, 00:05
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What? The rest abstained?
I assume so?

Looks like the remaining 289 Tory MPs voted Aye and most everybody else adjourned to the bar
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Old 05.09.2019, 00:11
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I think Boris has played a blinder here, he warned them before hand, vote against me and you're out, they did and he chucked them out, so their own fault, now he gets to replace them with more boris sycophants, the tories will keep the seats as they have a whole load of new brexit voters, he'll gain a majority in the coming general election and brexit will go through by default, he's made everyone look stupid especially jeremy "call an election, oh wait, no I don't want an election" corbyn
Seems Boris's master plan has a major flaw if he cannot get enough votes to call a general election
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Old 05.09.2019, 00:30
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Unfortunately for Boris, his decision to suspend Parliament early next week means he does not have much Parliamentary time left to reverse the vote on a snap general election?
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And the No-deal bill passed!

Edit; Where do we go from here ??
Problem. As Corbyn said to the House, the Lords have lodged over 90 amendments to the The European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill. That could tie up progress on the Bill until after Parliament resits from being prorogued. Also leaves the Bill open to a filibuster.
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Old 05.09.2019, 08:20
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Well what a palaver last night was! Just as the Lords shook off their duvets to prepare for an all night session, the government backed down on the Benn bill. I kid you not!

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Lords clear way for anti no-deal Brexit bill after government climbdown

The bill will return to the Commons on Monday to consider any amendments before passing into law...

...Those in favour of the bill had feared pro-Brexit peers were gearing up for an all-night sitting to prevent it being debated and voted on.But shortly before 1.30am the government announced it was dropping its opposition to the bill and all stages in the Lords would be completed by 5pm on Friday.
https://news.sky.com/story/lords-cle...bdown-11802448

Monday is also the day that the petition r.e. the prorogation of Parliament is due to be debated in the House.
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Old 05.09.2019, 08:54
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Well what a palaver last night was! Just as the Lords shook off their duvets to prepare for an all night session, the government backed down on the Benn bill. I kid you not!



https://news.sky.com/story/lords-cle...bdown-11802448

Monday is also the day that the petition r.e. the prorogation of Parliament is due to be debated in the House.
I honestly dont know what Cummings has up his sleeve now. They have something - otherwise they wouldnt have just dropped the lords filibustering - but question is what is it ? My money is still that they are going to ignore the legislation with the idea being they are "supporting the will of the people", knowing that with only 2 weeks to go, even though there is going to be handwaving, it will be so utterly unknown territory, government ignoring judiciary, they will get over the line.

That or he will quit (genuinely) saying he couldnt do his job because of remainer MP's giving him an Out while in his view having saved face.

The risk here is the next prime minister could be nigel farage if people are not careful.
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Old 05.09.2019, 09:08
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I honestly dont know what Cummings has up his sleeve now. They have something - otherwise they wouldnt have just dropped the lords filibustering - but question is what is it ?
I heard and read from a number of sources last night (tv, twitter, radio and press) that some of the venom shown towards the PM and Cummings in the House yesterday was stirred by reports that the pair of them were drunk and shouting abuse at people in the lobby on Tuesday night. If you google 'cummings drunk lobby' you can see some sources, plus a Telegraph article, but that's behind a paywall.

Just read this: https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/statu...09732117512192
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One option is to get the Queen to stop the law and not give it royal ascent. Apparently Blair did something similar during his time. Let’s see.
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I heard and read from a number of sources last night (tv, twitter, radio and press) that some of the venom shown towards the PM and Cummings in the House yesterday was stirred by reports that the pair of them were drunk and shouting abuse at people in the lobby on Tuesday night. If you google 'cummings drunk lobby' you can see some sources, plus a Telegraph article, but that's behind a paywall.
I also heard that Cummings was slaughtered as well so it kind of backs it up. Whatever next ?

One of my chums works in the HOC currently, must be surreal to actually be at ground 0.
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Old 05.09.2019, 09:37
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Just to go a little further, and sorry just need to get this off my chest, the PM keeps using the words frit, dictate, surrender and submission despite being repeatedly told not to by Bercow and other MPs. He also directly addressed Corbyn by name which he knows full well is not the correct form of address in the chamber. I'm fully prepared to see that soundbite clip repeated ad infinitum during his GE campaign. Javid was also guilty of improper addresses during the Spending announcement. Both were reprimanded by the chair but they don't care because they've got their soundbites in.

Also, Jess Phillips made an empassioned speech last night which the Tory press have described as 'rambling'. All I saw was a woman trembling with sheer freakin' rage because the Domestic Abuse Bill that she's spent over two years working on, and which was due to conclude and pass into law over the next month, has been indefinitely suspended due to the prorogation of Parliament. Some of the comments from Tory MPs during her speech that were picked up by the mics in the House, were utterly obnoxious, blatantly misogynistic, and repeated during the speeches of each female MP. "We've got another bloody woman speaking now John" is not acceptable behaviour in the HoC.
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I honestly dont know what Cummings has up his sleeve now. They have something - otherwise they wouldnt have just dropped the lords filibustering - but question is what is it ? My money is still that they are going to ignore the legislation with the idea being they are "supporting the will of the people", knowing that with only 2 weeks to go, even though there is going to be handwaving, it will be so utterly unknown territory, government ignoring judiciary, they will get over the line.

That or he will quit (genuinely) saying he couldnt do his job because of remainer MP's giving him an Out while in his view having saved face.

The risk here is the next prime minister could be nigel farage if people are not careful.
Maybe Boris is simply hoping that after the no-deal bill passes he can get his motion approved to hold a snap election?
Alternatively he has no clue what he will do next?
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I also heard that Cummings was slaughtered...
Sadly only metaphorically, not literally.
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The Brexshit show. Just like Monty Pythons, but with more humour.
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Also, Jess Phillips made an empassioned speech last night which the Tory press have described as 'rambling'. All I saw was a woman trembling with sheer freakin' rage because the Domestic Abuse Bill that she's spent over two years working on, and which was due to conclude and pass into law over the next month, has been indefinitely suspended due to the prorogation of Parliament. Some of the comments from Tory MPs during her speech that were picked up by the mics in the House, were utterly obnoxious, blatantly misogynistic, and repeated during the speeches of each female MP. "We've got another bloody woman speaking now John" is not acceptable behaviour in the HoC.
Jess Philips receiving lots of praise for her speech doing the rounds on twitter this morning. The nest of vipers' behaviour and attitude that is the old Eton boys club elite is well past its sell by date. The contempt they hold for everyone outside their club is astonishing.. it's the reason we are where we are: no clarity, no openness, all games, subterfuge, never ending disingenuity, insults galore. The EU in comparison through out this whole process has been consistent and open. Ireland has had an open approach too. It's staggering that we have to simply guess at what team Cummings will come up with now.

The more I listen to them, the more I think the country is being stitched-up. No wonder Dominic Grieves used the word evil a few times in his speech on Tuesday.
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Cummings has been called to Commons Sub-Committee again regarding his work on the Vote Leave campaign.

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Seriously, domestic abuse bill?
Like, who (of the Tory leadership) cares?
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Boris to address the public today.

Full on lies and blame, no doubt. Bless.

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