The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Well what a palaver last night was! Just as the Lords shook off their duvets to prepare for an all night session, the government backed down on the Benn bill. I kid you not! https://news.sky.com/story/lords-cle...bdown-11802448 Monday is also the day that the petition r.e. the prorogation of Parliament is due to be debated in the House.

I honestly dont know what Cummings has up his sleeve now. They have something - otherwise they wouldnt have just dropped the lords filibustering - but question is what is it ? My money is still that they are going to ignore the legislation with the idea being they are "supporting the will of the people", knowing that with only 2 weeks to go, even though there is going to be handwaving, it will be so utterly unknown territory, government ignoring judiciary, they will get over the line.

That or he will quit (genuinely) saying he couldnt do his job because of remainer MP's giving him an Out while in his view having saved face.

The risk here is the next prime minister could be nigel farage if people are not careful.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I honestly dont know what Cummings has up his sleeve now. They have something - otherwise they wouldnt have just dropped the lords filibustering - but question is what is it ?

I heard and read from a number of sources last night (tv, twitter, radio and press) that some of the venom shown towards the PM and Cummings in the House yesterday was stirred by reports that the pair of them were drunk and shouting abuse at people in the lobby on Tuesday night. If you google 'cummings drunk lobby' you can see some sources, plus a Telegraph article, but that's behind a paywall.

Just read this: https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/statu...09732117512192

[justpassingby]

One option is to get the Queen to stop the law and not give it royal ascent. Apparently Blair did something similar during his time. Let’s see.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I heard and read from a number of sources last night (tv, twitter, radio and press) that some of the venom shown towards the PM and Cummings in the House yesterday was stirred by reports that the pair of them were drunk and shouting abuse at people in the lobby on Tuesday night. If you google 'cummings drunk lobby' you can see some sources, plus a Telegraph article, but that's behind a paywall.

I also heard that Cummings was slaughtered as well so it kind of backs it up. Whatever next ?

One of my chums works in the HOC currently, must be surreal to actually be at ground 0.

[Blueangel]

Just to go a little further, and sorry just need to get this off my chest, the PM keeps using the words frit, dictate, surrender and submission despite being repeatedly told not to by Bercow and other MPs. He also directly addressed Corbyn by name which he knows full well is not the correct form of address in the chamber. I'm fully prepared to see that soundbite clip repeated ad infinitum during his GE campaign. Javid was also guilty of improper addresses during the Spending announcement. Both were reprimanded by the chair but they don't care because they've got their soundbites in.

Also, Jess Phillips made an empassioned speech last night which the Tory press have described as 'rambling'. All I saw was a woman trembling with sheer freakin' rage because the Domestic Abuse Bill that she's spent over two years working on, and which was due to conclude and pass into law over the next month, has been indefinitely suspended due to the prorogation of Parliament. Some of the comments from Tory MPs during her speech that were picked up by the mics in the House, were utterly obnoxious, blatantly misogynistic, and repeated during the speeches of each female MP. "We've got another bloody woman speaking now John" is not acceptable behaviour in the HoC.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I honestly dont know what Cummings has up his sleeve now. They have something - otherwise they wouldnt have just dropped the lords filibustering - but question is what is it ? My money is still that they are going to ignore the legislation with the idea being they are "supporting the will of the people", knowing that with only 2 weeks to go, even though there is going to be handwaving, it will be so utterly unknown territory, government ignoring judiciary, they will get over the line. That or he will quit (genuinely) saying he couldnt do his job because of remainer MP's giving him an Out while in his view having saved face. The risk here is the next prime minister could be nigel farage if people are not careful.

Maybe Boris is simply hoping that after the no-deal bill passes he can get his motion approved to hold a snap election?
Alternatively he has no clue what he will do next?

	Quote:	Mikers
	I also heard that Cummings was slaughtered...

Sadly only metaphorically, not literally.

[YuropFlyer]

The Brexshit show. Just like Monty Pythons, but with more humour.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Also, Jess Phillips made an empassioned speech last night which the Tory press have described as 'rambling'. All I saw was a woman trembling with sheer freakin' rage because the Domestic Abuse Bill that she's spent over two years working on, and which was due to conclude and pass into law over the next month, has been indefinitely suspended due to the prorogation of Parliament. Some of the comments from Tory MPs during her speech that were picked up by the mics in the House, were utterly obnoxious, blatantly misogynistic, and repeated during the speeches of each female MP. "We've got another bloody woman speaking now John" is not acceptable behaviour in the HoC.

Jess Philips receiving lots of praise for her speech doing the rounds on twitter this morning. The nest of vipers' behaviour and attitude that is the old Eton boys club elite is well past its sell by date. The contempt they hold for everyone outside their club is astonishing.. it's the reason we are where we are: no clarity, no openness, all games, subterfuge, never ending disingenuity, insults galore. The EU in comparison through out this whole process has been consistent and open. Ireland has had an open approach too. It's staggering that we have to simply guess at what team Cummings will come up with now.

The more I listen to them, the more I think the country is being stitched-up. No wonder Dominic Grieves used the word evil a few times in his speech on Tuesday.

[Blueangel]

Cummings has been called to Commons Sub-Committee again regarding his work on the Vote Leave campaign.

https://twitter.com/IanCLucas/status...924481/photo/1

[lewton]

Seriously, domestic abuse bill?
Like, who (of the Tory leadership) cares?

Boris to address the public today.

Full on lies and blame, no doubt. Bless.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/sta...99482335121409

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Boris to address the public today.

TV crews to keep camera angle on wide so that they can capture footage of Larry sleeping through it all behind the railings like they did last week. https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...89810128347137

[Castro]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Jess Philips receiving lots of praise for her speech doing the rounds on twitter this morning. The nest of vipers' behaviour and attitude that is the old Eton boys club elite is well past its sell by date. The contempt they hold for everyone outside their club is astonishing.. it's the reason we are where we are: no clarity, no openness, all games, subterfuge, never ending disingenuity, insults galore. The EU in comparison through out this whole process has been consistent and open. Ireland has had an open approach too. It's staggering that we have to simply guess at what team Cummings will come up with now. The more I listen to them, the more I think the country is being stitched-up. No wonder Dominic Grieves used the word evil a few times in his speech on Tuesday.

I've also lost count of the number of times Mrs May has been praised for her straightforwardness. Johnson's style is pure Bullingdon Club bluster with its disingenuous slurs and amateur theatrics.

FFS please just leave!

[greenmount]

On an unrelated subject, one question
Is Oxford (uni, colleges ) a right wingers club? (I was told so, but I have no idea if it's true or not, that's why I have the naivety to ask here)

[Castro]

	Quote:	greenmount
	On an unrelated subject, one question Is Oxford (uni, colleges ) a right wingers club? (I was told so, but I have no idea if it's true or not, that's why I have the naivety to ask here)

I don't think any Uni can be described as right wing, for example Owen Jones and a number of other prominent left wingers studied there. However they do have clubs and unions which tend to concentrate the right wing and privilege and they seem to have prominence in the media.

[John William]

Jo Johnson, the brother of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson quits as Tory MP and government minister.
The Tory party is haemorrhaging big time !!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49594793

	Quote:	Castro
	I don't think any Uni can be described as right wing

Maybe Trump U

	Quote:	John William
	Jo Johnson, the brother of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson quits as Tory MP and government minister. The Tory party is haemorrhaging big time !! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49594793

Leaving the party in order to spend less time with his family...





Shamelessly pilfered from NewsThump.

	Quote:	greenmount
	On an unrelated subject, one question Is Oxford (uni, colleges ) a right wingers club? (I was told so, but I have no idea if it's true or not, that's why I have the naivety to ask here)

	Quote:	Castro
	I don't think any Uni can be described as right wing, for example Owen Jones and a number of other prominent left wingers studied there. However they do have clubs and unions which tend to concentrate the right wing and privilege and they seem to have prominence in the media.

A pretty good mix of lefty elites and righty elites.