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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Boris to address the public today.
TV crews to keep camera angle on wide so that they can capture footage of Larry sleeping through it all behind the railings like they did last week. https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...89810128347137
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Jess Philips receiving lots of praise for her speech doing the rounds on twitter this morning. The nest of vipers' behaviour and attitude that is the old Eton boys club elite is well past its sell by date. The contempt they hold for everyone outside their club is astonishing.. it's the reason we are where we are: no clarity, no openness, all games, subterfuge, never ending disingenuity, insults galore. The EU in comparison through out this whole process has been consistent and open. Ireland has had an open approach too. It's staggering that we have to simply guess at what team Cummings will come up with now.

The more I listen to them, the more I think the country is being stitched-up. No wonder Dominic Grieves used the word evil a few times in his speech on Tuesday.
I've also lost count of the number of times Mrs May has been praised for her straightforwardness. Johnson's style is pure Bullingdon Club bluster with its disingenuous slurs and amateur theatrics.

FFS please just leave!
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On an unrelated subject, one question
Is Oxford (uni, colleges ) a right wingers club? (I was told so, but I have no idea if it's true or not, that's why I have the naivety to ask here)
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On an unrelated subject, one question
Is Oxford (uni, colleges ) a right wingers club? (I was told so, but I have no idea if it's true or not, that's why I have the naivety to ask here)
I don't think any Uni can be described as right wing, for example Owen Jones and a number of other prominent left wingers studied there. However they do have clubs and unions which tend to concentrate the right wing and privilege and they seem to have prominence in the media.
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Jo Johnson, the brother of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson quits as Tory MP and government minister.
The Tory party is haemorrhaging big time !!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49594793
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I don't think any Uni can be described as right wing
Maybe Trump U
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Jo Johnson, the brother of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson quits as Tory MP and government minister.
The Tory party is haemorrhaging big time !!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49594793
Leaving the party in order to spend less time with his family...





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Is Oxford (uni, colleges ) a right wingers club? (I was told so, but I have no idea if it's true or not, that's why I have the naivety to ask here)
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I don't think any Uni can be described as right wing, for example Owen Jones and a number of other prominent left wingers studied there. However they do have clubs and unions which tend to concentrate the right wing and privilege and they seem to have prominence in the media.
A pretty good mix of lefty elites and righty elites.
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On an unrelated subject, one question
Is Oxford (uni, colleges ) a right wingers club? (I was told so, but I have no idea if it's true or not, that's why I have the naivety to ask here)
Definitely not. The PM is a Balliol College Oxford alumni, along with Robert Peston - political journalist, Rory Stewart - now Independent, Yvette Cooper MP -Labour and Cressida Dick - Commissioner of the Met Police. Also previously Roy Jenkins - Lib Dem, Jo Grimmind - Liberal and Denis Healey - Labour.
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Two working class Wigan lads from my class at school went to both Oxford and Cambridge. Pete took Theology at Cambridge and did his Masters at Oxford. Sharpy took law at Cambridge and did his Masters in Corporate Law at Oxford. Pete's mum was a mate of my mum's and my infant school teacher in year 4.
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Two working class Wigan lads from my class at school went to both Oxford and Cambridge. Pete took Theology at Cambridge and did his Masters at Oxford. Sharpy took law at Cambridge and did his Masters in Corporate Law at Oxford. Pete's mum was a mate of my mum's and my infant school teacher in year 4.
Yep. I have examples too, including kids I've taught. But I'll wager they were - and still are - in the minority. Oxbridge get a regular bolloxing for not having "diverse" enough admissions.

Also Durham and St Andrews.
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Yep. I have examples too, including kids I've taught. But I'll wager they were - and still are - in the minority. Oxbridge get a regular bolloxing for not having "diverse" enough admissions.

Also Durham and St Andrews.
Actually has changed - Oxford and Cambridge last year both took some 60% of their intake from state schools, up from 55% 2 years earlier.

However when Johnson was there this would have been at about 40% and both were very public school dominated then.

Edit - although according to this the proportion of working class remains at just 11% and the state school proportion os strongly grammar school focussed.
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I don't know. There were 5 from my year went on to Oxbridge. Amongst my mates now, 3 went to Durham and one of my closest friends from school (also in my class) had offers from Oxford and Cambridge because she scored the top mark in the country for her history A Level. She turned them down because she wanted to be closer to home, so went to Leeds. I think you have to feel that you would fit in and that's a major obstacle for both unis. Personally, after spending a decent amount of time there, I'd love to have gone to Oxford but would never have got an offer.
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I don't know. There were 5 from my year went on to Oxbridge. Amongst my mates now, 3 went to Durham and one of my closest friends from school (also in my class) had offers from Oxford and Cambridge because she scored the top mark in the country for her history A Level. She turned them down because she wanted to be closer to home, so went to Leeds. I think you have to feel that you would fit in and that's a major obstacle for both unis. Personally, after spending a decent amount of time there, I'd love to have gone to Oxford but would never have got an offer.
Even if you or your pals had gone there, you wouldn't have been invited to take part in many of the "nobler" traditions of the uni, such as the Bullingdon Club. It is still very elitist and two tiered there.
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Actually has changed - Oxford and Cambridge last year both took some 60% of their intake from state schools, up from 55% 2 years earlier.

However when Johnson was there this would have been at about 40% and both were very public school dominated then.

Edit - although according to this the proportion of working class remains at just 11% and the state school proportion os strongly grammar school focussed.
No it hasn't. The numbers just say it has. The proportion of kids from state schools and low income families is still very low. A good deal of those grammar schools will be private too.


Edit: Baboon that headline says that more than 60% come from private or grammar schools.

Anecdote alert: one of my ex pupils left Oxford after severe and relentless bullying. One of the foci? Her state school background and her state school head teacher father's job.
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Exactly. It's a lot to do with your family connections with clubs like that. When we lived in Godalming, the girl behind the counter in my local chippy was at Charterhouse 6th form.
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No it hasn't. The numbers just say it has. The proportion of kids from state schools and low income families is still very low. A good deal of those gramnar schools will be private too.


Edit: Baboon that headline says that more than 60% come from private or grammar schools.
The grammar schools within that definition are all state schools and that 60% seems to come from 2010-2015 when the private school share was up near 50% (leaving a further 10% from grammar schools). The 60% from state schools originates from official statistics for 2018, therefore much later, and I doubt have been significantly manipulated.

It is well known that state grammar schools are disproportionately filled with kids from wealthier backgrounds btw. Also I don't doubt Blueangel's comment in the above post.

My anecdote alert is that a good friends' daughter went there from a state school and loved it.
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The grammar schools within that definition are all state schools and that 60% seems to come from 2010-2015 when the private school share was up near 50% (leaving a further 10% from grammar schools). The 60% from state schools originates from official statistics for 2018, therefore much later, and I doubt have been significantly manipulated.

It is well known that state grammar schools are disproportionately filled with kids from wealthier backgrounds btw.
Agree with the last bit. As for the first: Lies, damned lies and statistics. The numbers can say what they like, they do not reflect reality. This I know.
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Grrrr. Thats stinks. I've zero time for bullies and we've seen a lot of that this week in Parliament. Unfortunately we reach an age when you can't just punch them 'dead hard'(always go for the biggest one first ).
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