The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[greenmount]

Thank you guys, I knew I would get a more balanced view!

As for Brexit, I really don't understand anything anymore, there are so many new (to me) names in the equation and everyone seems to have his own vision of Brexit....let's just hope it will be good in the end.

I was packing up my food at tescos supermarket at lunch time when the middle-aged cashier started to moan about the HOC's vote result last night and said we should just leave the EU. I asked if she knew that Brexit will never be over if we leave without a deal and bigger problems will be created and rumble on for years.

She said that wasn’t true, that the EU caused all our problems namely austerity. I replied that the government and the media have continually lied to the whole country and it had nothing to do with the EU and it is our government that has prevented money being spent in the NHS, education, local services, the police etc. She asked me, incredulous, why the government would do that? I told her to ask people in the NHS, teachers in schools or the police to tell her who has caused their lack of funds over the last 10 years. Then I told her to ask people who work in the ports of Southampton and Portsmouth why they have very little money, infrastructure to deal with imports/exports and why they are worried about the disaster of brexit. At this point our conversation had a audience, lol, and it ended by her looking shocked and saying she needs to read up on it as she didn’t realize.

The thing is, I would understand her lack of knowledge pre 2016, but now?! After all that’s happened since? It still shocks me, the lack of honesty and factual info in the UK regarding brexit. Shame on the political class, the media/people who should know better than spread dangerous lies.

Here’s another example of lies and making it up as you go along, and from someone who has no excuse not to know the facts.

HOL:

https://twitter.com/estwebber/status...90695088271366

[bigblue2]

its all project fear init, as long as love island is on and special brew is 3 for the price of 2 the proles are happy

[3Wishes]

Can someone please explain why Boris is giving a largely political speech with a bunch of police officers in the background? Surely this is implying the police support his position?

[Castro]

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	“We don’t do things that way, that’s a very left-wing thing,” he said. “Only a socialist could do that to his brother, only a socialist could regard familial ties as being so trivial as to shaft his own brother… I mean, unbelievable. Only lefties can think like that...they see people as discrete agents devoid of ties to society or to each other, and that’s how Stalin could murder 20 million people.” Boris Johnson on Ed Miliband, 2013 source

I might postpone my trip to London until after the pogrom.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Can someone please explain why Boris is giving a largely political speech with a bunch of police officers in the background? Surely this is implying the police support his position?

All about the optics, to show that he/his position needs protection from all in sundry trying to do harm to the country's Brexit.

He will protect and defend Brexit with all his might, whatever the cost may be. He shall fight on the beaches, he shall fight on the landing grounds, he shall fight in the fields and in the streets, he shall fight in the hills; he shall never surrender. His precious Brexit!!!

Something to that effect.. lol.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	All about the optics, to show that he/his position needs protection from all in sundry trying to do harm to the country's Brexit. He will protect and defend Brexit with all his might, whatever the cost may be. He shall fight on the beaches, he shall fight on the landing grounds, he shall fight in the fields and in the streets, he shall fight in the hills; he shall never surrender. His precious Brexit!!! Something to that effect.. lol.

Also, he's a monumental twat.

[Clocker]

PM: I'd rather be dead in ditch than delay Brexit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49598118

[Troublawesome]

Nice, more and more turns the office into a laughing stock and fuels the polarisation and right-wing nuttery.

He's going to be the shortest lived PM in the history of the UK and for good reason, what a muppet.

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	PM: I'd rather be dead in ditch than delay Brexit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49598118

I daresay there are a few people who may be keen to assist with such an endeavour.

[3Wishes]

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	I daresay there are a few people who may be keen to assist with such an endeavour.

I was thinking the same thing. Emotions are running high and one MP was already murdered in this nonsense.

[John William]

[Clocker]

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	I daresay there are a few people who may be keen to assist with such an endeavour.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	I was thinking the same thing. Emotions are running high and one MP was already murdered in this nonsense.

There'll always be extremists and nutcases out there. The worrying thing is that some of them manage to quite quite high up in politics. I'm sure there's so much that goes on behind closed doors that we don't know about and possibly never will.

Far too much time and focus is on delivering Brexit that if it ever does happen, anything that goes wrong will be blamed on the government - and rightly so, more of the focus should have been on preparations for after Brexit. After all, they've had 3 years, now possibly 4 years to prepare, so there is no excuse.

All this bollocks is resting on the assumption the Europeans will give an extension.


1) They did say in March they wouldn't unless significant progress had been made, i can't think they would consider Boris as progress


2) Junker leaves on 31 Oct for the new German lady to take over, why would they want to leave a great stinking pile of shit on the desk ? Refuse the extension, clean desk on 1 Nov for the new girl.


3) Seeing the knots the UK is tying itself in would suggest they are incapable of comming to any conclusion this century and nothing has changed, just going around in same sized circles. Maybe the EU will decide to end the misery by refusing an extension.

Is Johnson moving towards a border int he Irish sea? Seems to be moving to a different regulatory environment for Northern Ireland anyway

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ment-1.4009418

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	Is Johnson moving towards a border int he Irish sea? Seems to be moving to a different regulatory environment for Northern Ireland anyway https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ment-1.4009418

May would have considered the same if it weren't for the DUP. I think they have always been moving towards the Irish sea border.

But NI then has the best of both worlds UK and EU and Scotland will want the very same.

[Clocker]

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	Maybe the EU will decide to end the misery by refusing an extension.

Will the EU then get the blame for the no deal crash out in this case?

	Quote:	Clocker
	Will the EU then get the blame for the no deal crash out in this case?

Would your health insurer get the blame for bankrupting you for sending you a Betreibung if you hadn't paid their bills?

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Clocker
	Will the EU then get the blame for the no deal crash out in this case?

no, they have clearly said this is the deal and this is the deadline, not their fault uk mp's are a bunch of scheming back stabbing, self serving bastards.

[k_and_e]

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	All this bollocks is resting on the assumption the Europeans will give an extension. 1) They did say in March they wouldn't unless significant progress had been made, i can't think they would consider Boris as progress 2) Junker leaves on 31 Oct for the new German lady to take over, why would they want to leave a great stinking pile of shit on the desk ? Refuse the extension, clean desk on 1 Nov for the new girl. 3) Seeing the knots the UK is tying itself in would suggest they are incapable of comming to any conclusion this century and nothing has changed, just going around in same sized circles. Maybe the EU will decide to end the misery by refusing an extension.

That's a minor issue. The UK Parliament will come up with some great amendments that the EU cannot refuse and totally convince the UK population.