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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Would your health insurer get the blame for bankrupting you for sending you a Betreibung if you hadn't paid their bills?
It would depend on whether the bills were correct.
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It would depend on whether the bills were correct.
Would it? If you have mismanaged yourself into the position where you cannot afford to pay basic bills any more, then it doesn't matter if it is the health insurance, mobile phone company or electric bill that tips you over the edge. Do you see?
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Given recent developments - how are the Swiss based UK community viewing the whole Brexit situation? I have been told that Switzerland has already made an agreement with the UK regarding British citizens here. Has anyone else heard this? It would be interesting to know. Thanks.
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Given recent developments - how are the Swiss based UK community viewing the whole Brexit situation? I have been told that Switzerland has already made an agreement with the UK regarding British citizens here. Has anyone else heard this? It would be interesting to know. Thanks.
There's a whole thread on it...

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...er-brexit.html
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That's a minor issue. The UK Parliament will come up with some great amendments that the EU cannot refuse and totally convince the UK population.

I love your optimism in the UK parliament being able to make a decision
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Old 06.09.2019, 11:42
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Is Johnson moving towards a border int he Irish sea? Seems to be moving to a different regulatory environment for Northern Ireland anyway

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ment-1.4009418
This is the only workable solution. The only reason it was extended to the whole of the U.K. was because of the DUP. And the only interest the DUP have is in tearing up GFA and the possibility of a United Ireland.
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Well played! Slap it up ya, Boris.. and don't allow Cummings to kick the cat.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/stat...30771257278464
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I was packing up my food at tescos supermarket at lunch time when the middle-aged cashier started to moan about the HOC's vote result last night and said we should just leave the EU. I asked if she knew that Brexit will never be over if we leave without a deal and bigger problems will be created and rumble on for years.

She said that wasn’t true, that the EU caused all our problems namely austerity. I replied that the government and the media have continually lied to the whole country and it had nothing to do with the EU and it is our government that has prevented money being spent in the NHS, education, local services, the police etc. She asked me, incredulous, why the government would do that? I told her to ask people in the NHS, teachers in schools or the police to tell her who has caused their lack of funds over the last 10 years. Then I told her to ask people who work in the ports of Southampton and Portsmouth why they have very little money, infrastructure to deal with imports/exports and why they are worried about the disaster of brexit. At this point our conversation had a audience, lol, and it ended by her looking shocked and saying she needs to read up on it as she didn’t realize.

The thing is, I would understand her lack of knowledge pre 2016, but now?! After all that’s happened since? It still shocks me, the lack of honesty and factual info in the UK regarding brexit. Shame on the political class, the media/people who should know better than spread dangerous lies.

Here’s another example of lies and making it up as you go along, and from someone who has no excuse not to know the facts.

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https://twitter.com/estwebber/status...90695088271366
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Can someone please explain why Boris is giving a largely political speech with a bunch of police officers in the background? Surely this is implying the police support his position?
My impression was that this was intended to make him look like a strongman. It was apparently sprung on the police and they've criticised it.

Police chief says force was not told about Boris Johnson speech plan
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Good for you for helping one lost soul see sense!
Lol. I am tempted to go back to discover if she has learned anything else or is she still clinging to the headlines of the daily fail.

Lazy thinkers.. which we are all guilty of - especially before 2016 when most in the UK knew very little about the benefits of the EU.
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My impression was that this was intended to make him look like a strongman. It was apparently sprung on the police and they've criticised it.

Police chief says force was not told about Boris Johnson speech plan
The Police federation are livid about it. Totally inappropriate content in the speech considering the occasion, but what makes it worse is that the media were told that the PM would be addressing the nation, so that image was seen by as many people as possible. Another stunt from the cupid stunt (as in the charachter portrayed by Kenny Everet) .
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no, they have clearly said this is the deal and this is the deadline, not their fault uk mp's are a bunch of scheming back stabbing, self serving bastards.
The question is very valid. You are looking at it from the perspective of a well-informed, rational person.

From the perspective of all those millions of Britons who believe in Brexit as if it was some sort of religion. Who want Brexit to "take back control" but then go bezerk when the UK parliament stops Boris on his tracks. Who accuse British judges of being traitors. Those who blame the EU for being undemocratic but rarely, if ever, vote in EU elections and don't understand how the EU functions. Those who blame the EU for austerity measures when Brussels has zero say on a non-€ member fiscal policies. Those who passionately want Brexit to stop immigration into the UK, whilst they are themselves migrants in Spain or France.

To this people, I can almost guarantee that the EU will be to blame for not granting yet another extension and they'll go mad about it, in spite of the fact that the same group of people do not want an extension. The DailyMail and other media will make sure that they understand this if they hesitate a bit.

Whatever the EU does or doesn't do, it will always be its fault in the view of those uninformed Britons. From the perspective of an EU citizen who has lived in Britain, whilst it saddens me a lot to see the UK go and I feel sorry for all those Britons being steamrolled by the ignorance of their fellow citizens, I would really like the remaining EU governments to cut loose from UK politics and end this charade. I also would really like to extend the red carpet to an independent Scotland and fast-track their membership since its people and politics look like an oasis of peace compared to London.
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Old 06.09.2019, 16:27
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Seems like Boris has been completely outmanoeuvred unless he has a cunning plan

With acknowledgement to Baldrick!
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Whatever the EU does or doesn't do, it will always be its fault in the view of those uninformed Britons. From the perspective of an EU citizen who has lived in Britain, whilst it saddens me a lot to see the UK go and I feel sorry for all those Britons being steamrolled by the ignorance of their fellow citizens, I would really like the remaining EU governments to cut loose from UK politics and end this charade. I also would really like to extend the red carpet to an independent Scotland and fast-track their membership since its people and politics look like an oasis of peace compared to London.
Whilst I agree with the rest of your post, I can't agree on this, particularly as London, and many other UK cities, are hugely pro-EU. Liverpool, Manchester, York, Durham, Newcastle, Cardiff, Oxford, Cambridge, Brighton, etc, all voted Remain by a considerable margin.

I honestly believe the tide of public perception has changed, and a lot of the change I've heard is over recent weeks. The PM announced a new investment program for a named number of hospitals. People have taken note if their local hospital wasn't on the last, particularly in my Leave voting home town. There's a feeling that they've been overlooked again by yet another Tory government.

I've said this before, but in my staunchly Labour home town, the EU Referendum was seen as a way of sticking two fingers up at Cameron. The heavier the current PM goes on Leave, the more my home town will do the exact opposite of what he wants because in their eyes, he's just the new fat cat Tory PM lording it over them. The actual EU is incidental.

A lot of people have finally woken up to "what the EU does for us". Again in my home town, the big story is about a 6yr old girl with a rare genetic condition. She's the only female in the UK with this condition and the only clinic that can treat her is in Poland, so the rush is on to raise £70k which is the subsidised cost of the treatment, and fly her to Poland in October, before the current Brexit deadline.
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OMG! Just seen this from James Cleverly. Surely that's not allowed from a cabinet minister?

https://twitter.com/jamescleverly/st...47392067678209
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This is gobsmacking! The Tories have printed this stuff up and sent it up to the press gallery in the HoC https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/statu...72280736321537
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Resign Boris, resign !! #NotMyPM
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Whilst I agree with the rest of your post, I can't agree on this, particularly as London, and many other UK cities, are hugely pro-EU. Liverpool, Manchester, York, Durham, Newcastle, Cardiff, Oxford, Cambridge, Brighton, etc, all voted Remain by a considerable margin.

I honestly believe the tide of public perception has changed, and a lot of the change I've heard is over recent weeks. The PM announced a new investment program for a named number of hospitals. People have taken note if their local hospital wasn't on the last, particularly in my Leave voting home town. There's a feeling that they've been overlooked again by yet another Tory government.

I've said this before, but in my staunchly Labour home town, the EU Referendum was seen as a way of sticking two fingers up at Cameron. The heavier the current PM goes on Leave, the more my home town will do the exact opposite of what he wants because in their eyes, he's just the new fat cat Tory PM lording it over them. The actual EU is incidental.

A lot of people have finally woken up to "what the EU does for us". Again in my home town, the big story is about a 6yr old girl with a rare genetic condition. She's the only female in the UK with this condition and the only clinic that can treat her is in Poland, so the rush is on to raise £70k which is the subsidised cost of the treatment, and fly her to Poland in October, before the current Brexit deadline.
I agree with you. Apologies, where I said "London" I meant to say the politics in Westminster.

I may be pessimistic, but I'm afraid that Labour is out as it couldn't even achieve a significant gain against May due to the very dislikable personality of Corbyn and the party's unclear policies. Although the polls are indeed giving the LibDems a chance, with the FPTP system the tories still have a big probability of obtaining a majority and using it without mercy.

Let me extend: I think there is really a chance only if the LibDems managed to gain a significant number of votes from the tories. It is not impossible, as some of those voters may never consider voting Corbyn but they may see the LibDems as an acceptable alternative, as some MPs have indeed done by switching sides. In a 3-party race, with the FPTP system the outcome is unpredictable. However, as it is, the LibDems are probably also going to gain votes at the expense of Labour, which means that Westminster will probably look about the same in terms of MP representation, but those MPs will have gained their seats with an even smaller number votes in their constituencies. The conservative voters also know all of this, which is why in a national election, as per usual, they'll all ditch the Brexit party...

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This is gobsmacking! The Tories have printed this stuff up and sent it up to the press gallery in the HoC https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/statu...72280736321537
I assume they are trying to embarrass Corbyn into supporting the vote for a general election.

I doubt a hardened campaigner like Corbyn will in any way be influenced by such tactics; both Boris and Trump are easily influenced by mockery so probably assume everybody else are the same?

As I have posted before, you could not make this stuff up.

The childishness displayed by current Tory leaders is without parallel.
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