The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Dinivan]

	Quote:	marton
	I assume they are trying to embarrass Corbyn into supporting the vote for a general election. I doubt a hardened campaigner like Corbyn will in any way be influenced by such tactics; both Boris and Trump are easily influenced by mockery so probably assume everybody else are the same? As I have posted before, you could not make this stuff up. The childishness displayed by current Tory leaders is without parallel.

Boris is probably mad. I mean, he has been thoroughly humiliated. It had been more than a century since a PM lost his first vote. And he won't be able to carry his main policy because his own MPs don't support him. He is cornered so he and his political campaigners are getting desperate...

	Quote:	marton
	I assume they are trying to embarrass Corbyn into supporting the vote for a general election. I doubt a hardened campaigner like Corbyn will in any way be influenced by such tactics; both Boris and Trump are easily influenced by mockery so probably assume everybody else are the same? As I have posted before, you could not make this stuff up. The childishness displayed by current Tory leaders is without parallel.

Given the previous Tory tactics of moaning that he engaged with the top people in the IRA, how scared is he likely to be of a few toffs calling him a chicken? Pathetic.

These people have never left their cosy Eton bubble and haven't grown up.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	OMG! Just seen this from James Cleverly. Surely that's not allowed from a cabinet minister? https://twitter.com/jamescleverly/st...47392067678209

	Quote:	Blueangel
	This is gobsmacking! The Tories have printed this stuff up and sent it up to the press gallery in the HoC https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/statu...72280736321537

They're just showing how desperate and pathetic the Gov't is. Who is approving this shite? The Twitter comments about it being a breach of IP.law are interesting.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Dinivan
	Boris is probably mad. I mean, he has been thoroughly humiliated. It had been more than a century since a PM lost his first vote. And he won't be able to carry his main policy because his own MPs don't support him. He is cornered so he and his political campaigners are getting desperate...

you recon? or is it all going to plan? he knew what was coming, its all just wasting time and the brexit countdown clock is still ticking, whatever happens he's still going to get what he wants.

[Dinivan]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	you recon? or is it all going to plan? he knew what was coming, its all just wasting time and the brexit countdown clock is still ticking, whatever happens he's still going to get what he wants.

Yeah, I do think that it's possible that it's all been planned to raise the anger level of the pro-Brexit voters, who will see Boris as their new messiah and will accordingly elect him and the tories in droves - although he'll probably have to change his constituency as his current voters probably feel betrayed by his empty promises on Heathrow. But these would be extremely divisive, selfish and partisan politics in detriment of the national interest of the country, which is to heal the wound. Almost treacherous behaviour. So I'd like to believe that he's not there yet.

[marton]

Just had an idea!
Boris was born in New York. So let us ship him off to the US to challenge Trump in the 2020 Presidential election

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	marton
	Just had an idea! Boris was born in New York. So let us ship him off to the US to challenge Trump in the 2020 Presidential election

I think he gave up his US passport for tax purposes

[Jim2007]

Boris is off to Dublin on Monday although no one in Dublin is sure why since he’s no longer in control and they have told him BREXIT is off the agenda. Still maybe one last junket before he resigns.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Boris is off to Dublin on Monday although no one in Dublin is sure why since he’s no longer in control and they have told him BREXIT is off the agenda. Still maybe one last junket before he resigns.

Doubt he will resign. His hunger for power is insatiable. That's why we're in this damn mess. I wonder, has he even tried any negotiatin' with the EU powers? Or is that too much like hard work?

[3Wishes]

If the bill from the Commons passes the Lords, then from what I read it gets Royal Consent and becomes law presumably before the progration of Parliament. Then what?

Oct 31 is still officially the date, deal or no deal, unless the EU agrees to an extension. The bill specifies the language Johnson is to use in the letter to request the extension, but there's nothing to say he can't go in person in October and say hey, let's agree to no deal right now and be done with this. Right?

Today Only, why the groan?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Dinivan
	I may be pessimistic, but I'm afraid that Labour is out as it couldn't even achieve a significant gain against May due to the very dislikable personality of Corbyn and the party's unclear policies.

Totally agree.
I'm no fan of Corbyn at all ever since the coup attempt against Kinnock, but credit where it's due, he's done very well this week. I'm lifelong LibDem so I'm absolutely clear where my vote will go, but I reckon we're facing a decade of coalition governments. If people genuinely want a moderate centre ground party with a broad church, surely it's there in the party that can attract Chuka Umunna, Dr. Sarah Wollaston, Luciana Berger and Dr. Phillip Lee.

	Quote:	marton
	I assume they are trying to embarrass Corbyn into supporting the vote for a general election.

You're going to love this marton. Apparently there's a leaked document flying around that states Johnson specifically chose 15 October because it would mean that students didn't have time to register to vote at their uni addresses. If it's true, it's damned sneaky.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You're going to love this marton. Apparently there's a leaked document flying around that states Johnson specifically chose 15 October because it would mean that students didn't have time to register to vote at their uni addresses. If it's true, it's damned sneaky.

In which case it's good that the opposition parties are not going to support an election on the 15th.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Still maybe one last junket before he resigns.

On that note...For any true geeks, the doc in this post is possibly worth a bookmark.


https://twitter.com/cath_haddon/stat...93111067643905

[marton]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	If the bill from the Commons passes the Lords, then from what I read it gets Royal Consent and becomes law presumably before the progration of Parliament. Then what? Oct 31 is still officially the date, deal or no deal, unless the EU agrees to an extension. The bill specifies the language Johnson is to use in the letter to request the extension, but there's nothing to say he can't go in person in October and say hey, let's agree to no deal right now and be done with this. Right?

Some newspapers are claiming Boris says he will not obey this law and will leave anyway on Oct. 31.

I suppose it would be possible for the EU to refuse to accept this "no deal" on the grounds it is illegal under UK law?

More likely the EU are fed up with the whole business and will simply wave goodbye?

[John William]

	Quote:	Dinivan
	Boris is probably mad. I mean, he has been thoroughly humiliated. It had been more than a century since a PM lost his first vote. And he won't be able to carry his main policy because his own MPs don't support him. He is cornered so he and his political campaigners are getting desperate...

This PM is a disaster, to my mind Boris must go - Resign Boris, resign !! #NotMyPM

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	I suppose it would be possible for the EU to refuse to accept this "no deal" on the grounds it is illegal under UK law?

Isn't it that a no deal happens automatically in case there isn't a deal on 31st October?

[Dinivan]

	Quote:	marton
	Some newspapers are claiming Boris says he will not obey this law and will leave anyway on Oct. 31. I suppose it would be possible for the EU to refuse to accept this "no deal" on the grounds it is illegal under UK law?

No, because member states are fully sovereign. These are internal politics to the UK.

Or doesn't really matter. The EU very reluctantly extended the deadline upon the premise that the UK needed more time to pass the deal. Boris will be forced by law to ask for an extension, but so what. He will go to Brussels and use his persuasion powers to say that he wants the same deal, with no backstop, or else he won't pay what the UK already owes for its commitments. The EU will say f*** off. He will have obeyed the law, but the EU is in its rights not to grant the extension and, in fact, it will be hard to defend the case for it unless the UK Parliament agrees to hold elections after the 31st of October.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	I suppose it would be possible for the EU to refuse to accept this "no deal" on the grounds it is illegal under UK law?

It does not work like that. All the EU treaty requires is that A50 was invoked in accordance with national law and it was. The rest is purely internal and up to the UK.

[marton]

From CNN "Boris Johnson's Brexit options are so bad that he might have to call a no-confidence vote in himself"

Source

What a mess