The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Amber Rudd quits government over Johnson's Brexit stance Wouldn't be surprised if Boris Johnson and Co are actually aiming for "no deal" in the hope that it will snuff out the Brexit Party.

Would a parliament forcing a PM by law to ask for a deadline extension at the last moment actually be a brilliant move? If the EU would deny, people would perceive it to be responsible for a no-deal chaos as the democratically chosen parliament would step up against a PM.

At the moment I'm not sure if it's a chaos or a plan.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	I must have brexit fatigue

Ditto.
Watched Rudd on Marr and got pissed off with her. Watched Saj on Marr and got sick of him trotting out the same rehearsed lines. All I could hear was Benedict Cumberbatch as Cummings shouting at people to "Stay on message!" I'm building myself up to Raab. I can't watch him without wanting to knit him a stripey bobble hat and mittens on a string to feed up his coat sleeves so that he doesn't lose them, and then I'd have to sew name tags into it all so that he can remember who the flyin' eff he is!

Edit: 30 seconds in and he has that shiny eyed look if an over excited puppy that's going to wet itself at any moment.

[Jim2007]

A fairly good article on the NI border issue:

Explainer: 'Why would there have to be Border checks if we are hit with no deal?'

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Ditto. Watched Rudd on Marr and got pissed off with her. Watched Saj on Marr and got sick of him trotting out the same rehearsed lines. All I could hear was Benedict Cumberbatch as Cummings shouting at people to "Stay on message!" I'm building myself up to Raab. I can't watch him without wanting to knit him a stripey bobble hat and mittens on a string to feed up his coat sleeves so that he doesn't lose them, and then I'd have to sew name tags into it all so that he can remember who the flyin' eff he is!

Rudd: same old, same old. I think she is still following orders from her chum Boris re the lack of effort with EU deal/no deal story. Keep the threat alive and kicking - Boris must really want to get rid of Nigel and continues with Cummings games.

Three shite sentences from Saj sent me off into the kitchen to bake some blueberry muffins

[Blueangel]

Disgusted that the Tories intend to break convention at the next GE and put a candidate up against Bercow, who is a Conservative himself.

[3Wishes]

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	I don't think that could happen, if the general election was blocked Bojo could call a no-confidence vote and order whatever MPs remain in his party to vote for it, that triggers an automatic general election.

I admit I'm no expert on British Parliament, but... I read an article about the possibility of Johnson calling his own no confidence vote a few days ago.

The author said even that move would require a majority of MPs voting no confidence, not just Tories. Johnson no longer has a majority. I guess he hopes that the rebels, labor and lib dems vote no confidence to trigger an election.

The funny (?) thing is, they could stick it to him by voting FOR confidence, thus denying him the election he craves.

There's a decent flow chart at the end of this article that helps sort what could come next. It doesn't address what would happen if a no confidence vote happens this week or before the summit on 17 Oct.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9094276.html

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Disgusted that the Tories intend to break convention at the next GE and put a candidate up against Bercow, who is a Conservative himself.

It's clear the current party leadership only wants one way of thinking and to solidify itself at an extreme. Will local voters fall for it?

[omtatsat]

Looks like the EU mafia will get their way. Its like the Italian mafia from old. The only way to get away from them was in a coffin.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Disgusted that the Tories intend to break convention at the next GE and put a candidate up against Bercow, who is a Conservative himself.

Bercow is a jumped up little shite who's got well above his station in life.



The speaker is meant to be impartial, nobody can say Bercow is impartial.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	omtatsat
	Looks like the EU mafia will get their way.

What makes you say that? They've barely put a foot wrong in all this, regardless of who you are. Theresa May specifically requested the NI backstop, so the UK only have themselves to blame for that.

When a campaign has the prominent slogan "Take back control of our borders!" but fails to recognise potential future issues with it's most contentious border... I swear this lot would turn up for a skiing holiday in Zermatt wearing socks, Jesus sandals, a Fred Perry top, Union Jack shorts and 'Love' and 'Hate' tattooed across their knuckles.

[Dinivan]

	Quote:	omtatsat
	Looks like the EU mafia will get their way. Its like the Italian mafia from old. The only way to get away from them was in a coffin.

Seriously? it was the UK that requested to leave the EU, after the EU has given the UK special rights that no other country within the union enjoys, namely the rebate. The EU has never requested an extension to the departure date. Sure, this organisation representing 27 member states is defending the interests of those 27 countries, but if this were a crime Switzerland would long ago have been wiped out of the earth.

The people who blame the EU are only the ones who believe in the 'have the cake and eat it' mantra. Welcome to the real world.

[Blueangel]

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	Bercow is a jumped up little shite who's got well above his station in life.

I'm gobsmacked that anyone would write that. He's got a 1st Class Hons in Government so I think he's, at least, qualified for the role.

[Dinivan]

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	Bercow is a jumped up little shite who's got well above his station in life. The speaker is meant to be impartial, nobody can say Bercow is impartial.

Did you read why are the conservatives willing to challenge his seat? the reason they give is because he allowed rushing the vote on the extension. Yep that's right, they are implicitly admitting that Boris wanted to suspend the parliament to avoid this vote, something that BoJo had repeatedly denied.

Bercow definitely is not impartial. He is defending the rights of the UK parliament and putting the interests of the nation above the interests of party politics.

In other news...

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	France threatens to veto further Brexit extension But sources in Brussels, where Boris Johnson’s envoy, David Frost, has been in twice-weekly talks with the European commission’s Brexit taskforce, said the process of finding a ready alternative was proving to be “a farce”. “There have been no substantive proposals on how to replace the backstop and the British are pretending otherwise – we are being instrumentalised for domestic purposes,” said one diplomat.[ [...] EU leaders have said a second referendum or general election would be sufficient reason to extend again and, for all the frustration at the British, there is a reluctance to appear to be pushing the UK out of the bloc. The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, has repeatedly said a no-deal Brexit would never be an EU choice.

How long will it take for the conservative voters to realise that the Tories, led by BoJo, are using all of this for personal and partisan purposes? Even the referendum was organised purely for the politics of the Conservative party to fend off UKIP, there was no national interest involved in this farce. They are so willing to save their own arse as to risk the unity of the UK.

[rainer_d]

What are the chances of the people in the end just going with "Just end it, already" and vote for "No-Deal-Brexit"?

I can hardly follow the news anymore because it's as comical as it is atrocious.

I can't imagine what it must be living in GB at the moment.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Dinivan
	How long will it take for the conservative voters to realise that the Tories, led by BoJo, are using all of this for personal and partisan purposes?

I think we have to accept that some never will because they have their heads firmly stuffed up the place where Rees-Mogg keeps his ginger (allegedly).

[Jim2007]

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	The speaker is meant to be impartial, nobody can say Bercow is impartial.

There is nothing that requires him to be apart from tradition....

The UK needs to have a conversation about how the are governed and PDQ, because at the rate they are going we’re going to see a lot more crazy from these guys.

Leo Varadkar.

PM @BorisJohnson doesn’t have a majority, so I’ll be asking him how he can convince us – Ireland and the EU – that he actually is capable or has the votes to get a deal through, says @LeoVaradkar

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1170699558248157191

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Leo Varadkar. PM @BorisJohnson doesn’t have a majority, so I’ll be asking him how he can convince us – Ireland and the EU – that he actually is capable or has the votes to get a deal through, says @LeoVaradkar https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1170699558248157191

Pretty much goes with what Rudd says, I think. The govt seemingly has no plans for a deal of any kind, it's all bluster.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Pretty much goes with what Rudd says, I think. The govt seemingly has no plans for a deal of any kind, it's all bluster.

It'll be interesting to hear about tomorrow's meeting in Dublin then. Goodness knows what Johnson and Varadkar have to talk about that hasn't already been said.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	rainer_d
	What are the chances of the people in the end just going with "Just end it, already" and vote for "No-Deal-Brexit"?

If you mean the electorate, when are they actually given a choice? They only get a vote for some bozo who isn’t required to keep their own stated policies.

The people should be given a choice between no-deal and no-exit.