The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	John William
	The thing is Edwin and what it all boils down to is Show me the Money and by that I mean give me the links, give me the video interviews of those in big business, Chairman's, CEO's & CFO's who are looking forward to severing our trade links with EU countries and are champing at the bit, to start trading with countries outside the EU and going into Trumps America, once the UK leaves the EU. Because what I see is a total absence of the above with only the odd exception that can be counted on one hand like JCB and the pub chain JD Weatherspoon. Of course there might be less well known UK companies in favour of leaving the EU but which ever way you look at it, they are vastly outnumbered by those British businesses and organisations who would rather see the UK remain in the EU.

Not forgetting Dyson who claims to support Brexit but after the vote upped sticks and ran to Singapore. Buying a £73 million penthouse in the process (yes, I am envious).
Currently only one third of Dyson employees are in the UK.

I think $73mio is chump change to Dyson, equivalent to us buying a garden shed in Hornbach when it's on Action !

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Laufenthalen
	Quite likely in a student place.

Both the 23 June 2016 Referendum and the PM's proposed 15 October GE date were seriously detrimental to the student vote. With the former, many students would have returned home after sitting exams so may not have been able to return to the location of their uni if they were registered there. With the latter, students would not have time to register their vote at their new uni address and would be forced to return to their home town to vote.

	Quote:	Laufenthalen
	Didn't the result show that a lot of younger people voted to remain and middle-aged to older groups voted to leave?

This old chestnut...

Let's say you have a constituency with 100,000 eligible to vote.
The demographic of that constituency is:
30% 18-30yr olds
45% 30-60yr olds
25% 60+yr olds

The voter turnout is 75%.
The Leave vote is 52%.

Bearing in mind that the ballot is secret, I defy anyone to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt, which demographic voted which way. All the 'stats' are at the very most, a guess.

[Blueangel]

In more serious news, and sorry that it's behind a paywall, but you can still get the drift of the content...

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	Brexit negotiating team shrinks to only four staff. The Europe unit which had led negotiations for a Brexit deal with Brussels has been disbanded by Boris Johnson.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9...d-16cb9f989e55

[marton]

	Quote:
	Amnesty International@amnesty Deal or no deal, Brexit poses serious human rights concerns. These include a potential shortage of access to food & medicine, as well as concerns over future of EU citizens in the UK, right to immigration & asylum, & the future of the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland.

Boris fiddling while Rome burns.....

[marton]

Some relief! UK recession fears ease as GDP returns to 0.3% growth in July so no recession today!

[Blueangel]

As expected and hoped for...

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	LIVE: Queen approves law blocking no-deal Brexit on 31 October Legislation blocking a no-deal Brexit on 31 October becomes law - hours before parliament is set to be suspended for five weeks.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-john...ction-11805412

Edit: And Bercow is standing down as Speaker!

So in short:

According to the UK:

May-deal is of the table.
No deal is of the table.
This evening they decide on new elections.
We're going on a "holiday" for 5 weeks.

According to the EU:

Further negotiations are of the table (Unless drastic changes will happen)
Further delay is of the table (Unless drastic changes will happen)
Care shit what happens with the current laughing stock of Europe.

[Reb77Br]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Edit: And Bercow is standing down as Speaker!

Another one bites the dust. Wonder who'll replace him. Wouldn't be surprised if Leadsom covets that role, given her recent and past criticism (Tories to stand against Speaker John Bercow at next election, Leadsom says). She has after all been Mother Leader of the House and is a mother.

[Urs Max]

Now that the new law that requires an extension until January 2020 if no deal is reached before October 19 has been
approved by HRM, what would happen if Johnson were to resign a few days before October 19?

The Queen needs to accept his resignation, doesn't she.

If she did there'd be no PM in office to request an extension. If she didn't what would happen, would that even be constitutional?

[YuropFlyer]

The EU simply should deny them another extension. Enough is enough. The UK is almost at Trump 2.0 level..

Either revoke A50 or get out. On 31st October. With the May deal or without.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	YuropFlyer
	The EU simply should deny them another extension. Enough is enough. The UK is almost at Trump 2.0 level.. Either revoke A50 or get out. On 31st October. With the May deal or without.

Yes but another extension would suit the EU as well... there is still a couple of months work needed to finish of the work on the ports of Cork and Roscoff, a second RoRo delivered to operate between Dublin and Europoort and final testing of the Irish/French electricity grid hook up....

It is worth remembering that Irish exports of medical and pharmaceutical goods to the EU each year amounts to about €46b, so making sure that pipeline is secure is important to the EU.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Edit: And Bercow is standing down as Speaker!

I would imagine that was always he intention, otherwise he might have been a bit more careful in his choices....

US speaking tour and at least one book is in his future...

[marton]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Another one bites the dust. Wonder who'll replace him. Wouldn't be surprised if Leadsom covets that role, given her recent and past criticism (Tories to stand against Speaker John Bercow at next election, Leadsom says). She has after all been Mother Leader of the House and is a mother.

Bercow is Tory and traditionally would be replaced by a Labour MP which rules out Leadsom.

Parliament closes tonight until October 14th, likely date for Bercow to leave is Oct 31st.

Parliament in the last 17 days of October will, I forecast, be the hardest ever to prophecy.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	As expected and hoped for... https://news.sky.com/story/live-john...ction-11805412 Edit: And Bercow is standing down as Speaker!

Bercow is standing down as he knows only too well if a muppet, a Tely-Tubby and a Flower pot man were standing, he'd come 4th in the election !

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It is worth remembering that Irish exports of medical and pharmaceutical goods to the EU each year amounts to about €46b, so making sure that pipeline is secure is important to the EU.

They have had plenty of time, they should have got their act together.

[omtatsat]

The house speaker has resigned.

order,order,oder,odour

[Blueangel]

A stat for the geeks:
Johnson's government have now been defeated more times than Blair was in his entire 10yrs as PM.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	A stat for the geeks: Johnson's government have now been defeated more times than Blair was in his entire 10yrs as PM.

Blair was a conservative running the Labour Party & they were too thick to notice. How sad is that.

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	A stat for the geeks: Johnson's government have now been defeated more times than Blair was in his entire 10yrs as PM.

And today is not even over yet

Boris was a fool to ever take the job, ambition overruled common sense