The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Mikers]

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	What does Boris expect? He's potentially turning these people's lives upside down and perhaps uprooting many families and kids who have only known these places as home. I'm sure he would like us all to kowtow and tug forelocks to our betters, but it's 2019, not 1600.

Good article from the Independent summing up thoughts from both leave and remain sides on the effect of the Luxembourg stitch-up https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9109111.html

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	...summing up thoughts from both leave and remain sides ...

I think you've over-egged that a little. It's got quotes from Sir Nicholas Soames and Iain Duncan Smith. Hardly the same thing really.

I still fail to see how a group of Brits living in Luxembourg making their voices heard to the British PM is "a stitchup", but trust IDS to go in with a WWII reference. If the PM had a spine he would have met and spoken to the British protesters.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I think you've over-egged that a little. It's got quotes from Sir Nicholas Soames and Iain Duncan Smith. Hardly the same thing really. I still fail to see how a group of Brits living in Luxembourg making their voices heard to the British PM is "a stitchup", but trust IDS to go in with a WWII reference. If the PM had a spine he would have met and spoken to the British protesters.

It’s balanced. It has quotes from Angela merkel’s party and mep’s as well though you will not mention that of course. You are missing the entire point here: it does not matter that this is Boris Johnson. It matters that two heads of state cannot communicate their views. It could have been Jo Swinson and Nigel Farage, they still should be allowed to communicate their statements to the listening parties at a press conference. If you want another meeting with heads of states put in stocks so you can rant at them go ahead and request it, but at a press conference the key is to be able to communicate things.

I give up.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	It’s balanced. It has quotes from Angela merkel’s party and mep’s as well though you will not mention that of course.

Diplomats, not MEPS, none of which actively campaigned for Leave or Remain or have a say in Parliament.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Diplomats, not MEPS, none of which actively campaigned for Leave or Remain or have a say in Parliament.

“Norbert Röttgen, chair of the German parliament's foreign affairs committee and a senior MP from Angela Merkel's party”

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	“Norbert Röttgen, chair of the German parliament's foreign affairs committee and a senior MP from Angela Merkel's party”

You agree there were no quotes from MEPs as you claimed?
You correctly claimed "quotes from Angela Merkel’s party".

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	“Norbert Röttgen, chair of the German parliament's foreign affairs committee and a senior MP from Angela Merkel's party”

Did he vote Leave or Remain?

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	You agree there were no quotes from MEPs as you claimed? You correctly claimed "quotes from Angela Merkel’s party".

yes, agree.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Did he vote Leave or Remain?

He wouldn't have been voting in the UK referendum. He's a German politician.

[baboon]

	Quote:	Mikers
	He wouldn't have been voting in the UK referendum. He's a German politician.

Whoosh

[Mikers]

	Quote:	baboon
	Whoosh

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh!

How did Xavier Bettel vote in the referendum ?

Seriously?! Tell me this isn't true.. we joke about him being unprofessional and incompetent, but..



https://twitter.com/kevinhorourke/st...07198140030977

[Castro]

I think a slow form of brain damage is creeping in from hearing all the various rehashes of Brexit arguments time and time and time again. I remember during the last days of the 2016 campaign when Brexit fatigue was setting in, one journalist wrote 'The cat is getting deader by the day'

How premature he was

[FrankZappa]

	Quote:	Castro
	I think a slow form of brain damage is creeping in from hearing all the various rehashes of Brexit arguments time and time and time again. I remember during the last days of the 2016 campaign when Brexit fatigue was setting in, one journalist wrote 'The cat is getting deader by the day' How premature he was

Here is the full article from The Financial Times from the twitter link posted this morning.

EU fears Brexit reality has dawned too late for Boris Johnson

Officials have become increasingly pessimistic about the prospects of a deal with the UK’s prime minister.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Here is the full article from The Financial Times from the twitter link posted this morning. EU fears Brexit reality has dawned too late for Boris Johnson Officials have become increasingly pessimistic about the prospects of a deal with the UK’s prime minister.

It's clear he didn't fully understand the situation or else he wouldn't have been so bloody gung ho. He clearly believedhe could do as he wished and thought a GE would fix it: didn't bank on his bluff being called by Corbyn.

He's been treating the whole thing like a game of Top Trumps or something, genuinely believing as king of the castle he is unstoppable. His arrogance is breathtaking, matched only by his utter disregard for the people he professes to serve. All he realky serves is himself.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Here is the full article from The Financial Times from the twitter link posted this morning. EU fears Brexit reality has dawned too late for Boris Johnson Officials have become increasingly pessimistic about the prospects of a deal with the UK’s prime minister.

Look, Boris and friends don’t even appreciate the basic stuff. The heads of state of the 27 have their own electorates to answer to and there are no votes in giving the UK a special deal. “Yes, we disadvantaged ourselves, but look what a great deal we gave the UK”, will not empress anyone.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Look, Boris and friends don’t even appreciate the basic stuff. The heads of state of the 27 have their own electorates to answer to and there are no votes in giving the UK a special deal. “Yes, we disadvantaged ourselves, but look what a great deal we gave the UK”, will not empress anyone.

The closer we get to the deadline, the more obvious it is that this is a money grab to free up the UK so a few make a complete killing. Sod the people and the hardships that will follow - you wanted brexit? Here it is, in all its glory.

Farage is speaking in the EU parliament this morning, if anyone is interested. I can't bear to listen to him..

[John William]

For those interested in the Live feed on todays European Partliament debate on the latest developments
on Brexit, here it is.

Live European Parliament debate on Brexit on 18th Sept