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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 19.09.2019, 13:39
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Your only waking up to this now..... posting history, posting history....
No surprise. Just further illustration in case any new people need it....
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Old 19.09.2019, 14:01
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Contrariwise the Japanese companies in UK had great success with low price cars and motorbikes and today just look at Aldi and all those "outlet" stores.
Hardly, the Nikkei225 hit a peak on 29 December 1989, when it reached an intra-day high of 38,957.44, before closing at 38,915.87.
30 years laker it's 22,045.
Thats not what I would call success.
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Old 19.09.2019, 15:11
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Hardly, the Nikkei225 hit a peak on 29 December 1989, when it reached an intra-day high of 38,957.44, before closing at 38,915.87.
30 years laker it's 22,045.
Thats not what I would call success.
Given the time period Marton is referring to is the 60s and 70s, what is the relevance of the post 1989 crash? Also what is the relevance of the general index to a handful of car manufacturers?

Oh and Toyota now is more than triple the 1989 price.
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Old 19.09.2019, 15:19
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Just sounds like Japan learnt their lesson about an overinflated market at the end of the 80s...wonder when US and UK will do the same.
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Old 19.09.2019, 16:34
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Struggling to keep up with the ever-changing brexit news?

Here's more:

UK ‘cannot meet’ EU deadline for Brexit plan and needs another year, government says
Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay says UK should be given ‘until December 2020’ to come up with plan for Irish border


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9111756.html
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Old 19.09.2019, 17:23
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Do you think the next time the EU grants an extension, they'll make it some ridiculously long deadline, like 99 years?
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Old 19.09.2019, 17:33
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Do you think the next time the EU grants an extension, they'll make it some ridiculously long deadline, like 99 years?
Yep, the EU could be very smart 'n' funny and say to the UK: here's an 100 year extension.. but whenever you're ready to leave and have figured it all out, just let us know.

..meanwhile, we must crack on, have lots to do, don't you know.
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Old 19.09.2019, 17:48
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Just sounds like Japan learnt their lesson about an overinflated market at the end of the 80s...wonder when US and UK will do the same.
The PE's in Japan were 2-3 times that of US/UK companies today. Their PE's are around 20 today. They just never were able to compound their returns as good companies can, selling products cheaply won't work as a long term strategy.
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Old 19.09.2019, 19:52
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Struggling to keep up with the ever-changing brexit news?
I've just read something that beats even this. It belongs firmly in marton's "You couldn't make this stuff up!" category.

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Question: Does Parliament being currently prorogued mean that they can't sack him beforehand?
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Old 19.09.2019, 20:13
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Interesting speech from Peter Shaw in 1975, project fear is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHw...Q6HtvnePMUvN2c
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Old 19.09.2019, 20:45
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project fear is nothing new...
Project Fear is now known as Operation Yellowhammer. Project WTAF is the new Project FFFEAR and is (allegedly) known as Operation Black Swan.

We have passed the point where Operation Fear morphed into government policy.
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Old 19.09.2019, 21:00
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Interesting speech from Peter Shaw in 1975, project fear is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHw...Q6HtvnePMUvN2c
Bit random - you know the fella?
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Old 19.09.2019, 21:04
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I've just read something that beats even this. It belongs firmly in marton's "You couldn't make this stuff up!" category.

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Is that even relevant? In what way?

A select few current trade envoys, all four are against Brexit (presumably others as well, I checked just a few):

Rushanara Ali, Labour MP, originally appointed by Cameron
Lady Northover, Lib Dem MP, originally appointed by Cameron
Lady Bonham-Carter, Lib Dem MP, originally appointed by Cameron
Lord Faulkner, Labour MP, originally appointed by May
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Old 19.09.2019, 21:06
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Bit random - you know the fella?
As it happens Peter Shaw was a guest at our house in the 1970's, so yes I did meet him several times & answered the phone from him on a weekly basis. He was a Labour MP so no doubt you would have liked him. He died in 2001 so no contact recently!
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As it happens Peter Shaw was a guest at our house in the 1970's, so yes I did meet him several times & answered the phone from him on a weekly basis. He was a Labour MP so no doubt you would have liked him. He died in 2001 so no contact recently!
I've never voted Labour in my life, dunno what gave you that idea.
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Is that even relevant? In what way?

A select few current trade envoys, all four are against Brexit (presumably others as well, I checked just a few):

Rushanara Ali, Labour MP, originally appointed by Cameron
Lady Northover, Lib Dem MP, originally appointed by Cameron
Lady Bonham-Carter, Lib Dem MP, originally appointed by Cameron
Lord Faulkner, Labour MP, originally appointed by May
They're part of the cross party trade envoy network. My own MP, Adam Afriyie MP for Windsor, is also one. The main difference is that none of them have been expelled from their respective parties and had the Whip removed.
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Old 19.09.2019, 23:39
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I've just read something that beats even this. It belongs firmly in marton's "You couldn't make this stuff up!" category.

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https://twitter.com/adampayne26/stat...12696559874048

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Not surprising really, Boris like Trump makes major decisions on gut feeling without any implementation plan. I doubt anybody was appointed to check what other responsibilities the expelled MPs had that needed to be changed.

Hope he enjoys his taxpayer paid trip!
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They're part of the cross party trade envoy network. My own MP, Adam Afriyie MP for Windsor, is also one. The main difference is that none of them have been expelled from their respective parties and had the Whip removed.
As you say it's a cross-party network, i.e. party affiliation is irrelevant whichever that is. Thus no difference to not being in a party at all.

Or am I missing something?
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project fear is now known as operation yellowhammer. Project wtaf is the new project fffear and is (allegedly) known as operation black swan.

We have passed the point where operation fear morphed into government policy.

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Old 20.09.2019, 14:53
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The Irish Deputy Toaiseach Simon Coveney has to explain the facts all over again.

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status...55371019915266

https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/statu...47625444884482
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