The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	It was the US who won the war They were the ones who gave us the freedom of choice we have today. Half of the D-Day troops were American, plus around 20,000 more were Canadian.

Forgot to add the Soviet Union

[marton]

UK still does not have a clue how the EU works!

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	It is claimed there is a British demand that the EU’s negotiating team treat a long-awaited cache of documents outlining the UK’s latest ideas as “Her Majesty’s government property”. Whitehall told the European commission team that the three “confidential” papers should not be distributed to Brexit delegates representing the EU’s 27 other member states.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...oposals-secretSource

They still do not understand that it is the EU 27 who will make the final decision.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	It was the US who won the war

It was the Allies who won the war.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	It was the Allies who won the war.

Indeed. Anyone can step in once the fighting is almost done, help out at the end, and claim their crucial role in victory.

Also, "the US (and USSR) won the war" ignores the enormous sacrifice and successes of ANZAC troops in the Asia-Pacific region, especially, among others.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Before 2015, many Brits didn't have a sodding clue what sovereignty is!

It was explained clearly in 1975 for the first referendum & but those claims were deemed lies by remain. Strange what happened over the next 44 years was perfectly obvious at the time. Perhaps that's why the old fools voted leave as they were lied to last time

[John William]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And what about the Brexiteers under the age of 75?

They fall into the Brexit age group who are always harping on about the Cold War and how much
they miss the Good Old Days and regret the loss of the British Empire before falling into usual
diatribe of Britain should never have joined the Common Market.

Anyway it's blindingly obvious that most Brexits live in the past.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	They fall into the Brexit age group who are always harping on about the Cold War and how much they miss the Good Old Days and regret the loss of the British Empire before falling into usual diatribe of Britain should never have joined the Common Market. Anyway it's blindingly obvious that most Brexits live in the past.

I disagree, it's the remainers fear of change, the Brexiters are more entrepreneurial & can see a huge opportunity of leaving.

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I disagree, it's the remainers fear of change, the Brexiters are more entrepreneurial & can see a huge opportunity of leaving.

Yes pissing off 52% of your major trading partners who are next to you and waving goodbye to 40 trade deals while you start with tariffs and WTO is the very definition of entrepreneurship. Can't wait to see how Trump will treat the UK once it did the unthinkable and finds itself isolated and alone in the world stage. He'll pick you off one by one.

That is, if Scotland and NI won't leave in the next 5 years as well. Then the real entrepreneurship can kick in with bootleggers and smugglers back in the game.

Noiiice

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I disagree, it's the remainers fear of change, the Brexiters are more entrepreneurial & can see a huge opportunity of leaving.

What like the honourable member for the 1930's, who's looked upon as the Guru of Brexit, I am of course
refering to the Brexiteers much loved role model, Jacob Rees-Mogg.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	What like the honourable member for the 1930's, who's looked upon as the Guru of Brexit, I am of course refering to the Brexiteers much loved role model, Jacob Rees-Mogg.

JRM is a mere 50 being born in 1969, I thought you were talking about over 75's based on your reply to Blueangel

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I disagree, it's the remainers fear of change, the Brexiters are more entrepreneurial & can see a huge opportunity of leaving.

Yes but they are the eight or nine out of ten that turn out to be business failures - the ones that don’t understand who the world works and don’t have a plan to deal with it.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Trump will treat the UK once it did the unthinkable and finds itself isolated and alone in the world stage. He'll pick you off one by one.

Don’t worry about Trump, granny (Nancy Pelosi) is not going to agree any trade deal that would up set her son-in-law or grandkids from Co. Wicklow. As they say in Ireland, all politics is local.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps that's why the old fools voted leave as they were lied to last time

	Quote:	John William
	They fall into the Brexit age group who are always harping on about the Cold War ...

Cold war? When West Germany were one of our greatest alies?

For the umpteenth time... both of you have absolutely no irrefutable evidence that any particular age group predominantly voted one way or the other. The ballot was secret. The rest is all speculation and I wish to god that everyone would get that through their skulls.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	John William
	What like the honourable member for the 1930's, who's looked upon as the Guru of Brexit,

Is he buggery! He can't be the guru of anything without running it by nanny first. And the joke is 'the Right Honourable Member for the 18th Century'.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Cold war? When West Germany were one of our greatest alies? For the umpteenth time... both of you have absolutely no irrefutable evidence that any particular age group predominantly voted one way or the other. The ballot was secret. The rest is all speculation and I wish to god that everyone would get that through their skulls.

I have never claimed I had any evidence that any age group voted in any particular way, I was just replying to posts & mentioning about old fools as it seems to be the narrative of this thread. For the record I don't believe older people are old fools either.

I don't care who voted leave, just that the majority did, get over it.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I don't care who voted leave, just that the majority did, get over it.

Never!

Regardless of the context or walk of life it happens in, I can't abide being lied to. Creating and spreading a lie is disgusting. Persisting in that lie is unforgivable. Profiteering from the lie you created at the expense of others is lower than a snake's belly. Doing that on a national scale is treason. I will never excuse that behaviour, ever!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Never! Regardless of the context or walk of life it happens in, I can't abide being lied to. Creating and spreading a lie is disgusting. Persisting in that lie is unforgivable. Profiteering from the lie you created at the expense of others is lower than a snake's belly. Doing that on a national scale is treason. I will never excuse that behaviour, ever!

Plenty of lies from remain, the population does not trust politicians to sit on the toilet the right way round. They are more intelligent than you give credit for.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Never! Regardless of the context or walk of life it happens in, I can't abide being lied to. Creating and spreading a lie is disgusting. Persisting in that lie is unforgivable. Profiteering from the lie you created at the expense of others is lower than a snake's belly. Doing that on a national scale is treason. I will never excuse that behaviour, ever!

Doing it on a national scale is called "propaganda"

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Doing it on a national scale is called "propaganda"

Sure but shouting treason makes uninformed people believe you. Lies if you prefer

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Doing it on a national scale is called "propaganda"

It becomes treason when those involved know full well the detrimental effects on the safety and security of the nation and it's people, yet still persist in that lie. It's a subtle difference, but a very important one, and as long as the UK National Crime Agency is still investigating some aspects of the Leave.EU campaign, I will retain my view.

September 13, 2019

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	A separate investigation into Leave.EU, launched by the National Crime Agency in November 2018 following a referral from the Electoral Commission into suspected electoral law offences, is still ongoing.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1VY1EU