The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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The first thing I thought of when I saw the name was: "a little bit of bread and no cheese", which might also be a sign of a civil servant's brilliance.

[Blueangel]

Thsi story broke online last night and made for a very interesting 'Press Preview' on Sky News.

In a near repeat of the immediate aftermath of Cameron's resignation, with the Tory party in disarray, a tiny group in the Labour Party have decided that rather than optimise their position, they will again shoot themselves in the foot.

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	Momentum founder Jon Lansman put forward a motion which would get rid of the deputy leader role, removing Tom Watson.

https://news.sky.com/story/tony-blai...erous-11815538

This is shocking and very sad.

Brexit is more important than his insulin.

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/statu...56247766900736

[John William]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	This is shocking and very sad. Brexit is more important than his insulin. https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/statu...56247766900736

No doubt the same people who reckon breaking up the United Kingdom is a great idea to get out
of the EU ( which has so far has shown no signs of other countries like the UK leaving the EU )
so that little Englanders can have Brexit just for themselves.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	No doubt the same people who reckon breaking up the United Kingdom is a great idea to get out of the EU ( which has so far has shown no signs of other countries like the UK leaving the EU ) so that little Englanders can have Brexit just for themselves.

What people have missed is that the Brits have had a democracy for a very long time, something they value & don't wish to give up their sovereignty to the EU. EU countries such as Spain & Portugal have only had democracy since the late 1970's, Czechia since 1993. Germany was a Dictatorship in its recent past.

Hardly surprising that Brit's think differently. Switzerland has no intention of joining for the very same reason.

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	What people have missed is that the Brits have had a democracy for a very long time, something they value & don't wish to give up their sovereignty to the EU. EU countries such as Spain & Portugal have only had democracy since the late 1970's, Czechia since 1993. Germany was a Dictatorship in its recent past. Hardly surprising that Brit's think differently. Switzerland has no intention of joining for the very same reason.

Which when you think of it explains Brexiteers in a nutshell, namely they prefer to hark on and on and
on about the past.
Whereas the rest of Europe looks forward to the future.

[Reb77Br]

Brexit Party MEPs abstain on EU vote that demands release of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

The Brexit Party: the party for which opposition to the EU is more important than the human rights of British citizens.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Which when you think of it explains Brexiteers in a nutshell, namely they prefer to hark on and on and on about the past. Whereas the rest of Europe looks forward to the future.

Plenty of Brits died fighting, giving us the freedom of choice we have today. It could have turned out very differently. My generation are very grateful for those who gave their lives.

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Plenty of Brits died fighting, giving us the freedom of choice we have today. It could have turned out very differently. My generation are very grateful for those who gave their lives.

Not belittling those sacrifices of the past but hey look guys were already almost 20 years into the
21st Century, time to consign WW2 to history as its high time we moved on !!

[Tom1234]

	Quote:	John William
	Not belittling those sacrifices of the past but hey look guys were already almost 20 years into the 21st Century, time to consign WW2 to history as its high time we moved on !!

European countries are full of far-right wing political parties and anti-Semitism is rearing it's ugly head again.

But you're suggesting we forget about what happened last time?

[John William]

	Quote:	Tom1234
	European countries are full of far-right wing political parties and anti-Semitism is rearing it's ugly head again. But you're suggesting we forget about what happened last time?

No my moan is about the Brexiteers always harking about the past and how they would love to relive it.

Particularly as they always paint an image that Great Britain, alone and unaided apart from Vera Lynn,
liberated every single country in Europe from Nazi oppression.

Mind you, I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the U.S. and also the Soviet Union had a
hand in it somewhere.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	... & don't wish to give up their sovereignty to the EU.

Before 2015, many Brits didn't have a sodding clue what sovereignty is!

	Quote:	John William
	...time to consign WW2 to history as its high time we moved on !!

No!
"Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Brexit Party MEPs abstain on EU vote that demands release of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe The Brexit Party: the party for which opposition to the EU is more important than the human rights of British citizens.

And I firmly believe there's a special place in hell reserved for them for that decision alone.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	John William
	No my moan is about the Brexiteers always harking about the past and how they would love to relive it.

And what about the Brexiteers under the age of 75?

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Plenty of Brits died fighting, giving us the freedom of choice we have today. It could have turned out very differently. My generation are very grateful for those who gave their lives.

It was the US who won the war

They were the ones who gave us the freedom of choice we have today.
Half of the D-Day troops were American, plus around 20,000 more were Canadian.

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Before 2015, many Brits didn't have a sodding clue what sovereignty is!

They still do not have a sodding clue what sovereignty is!
If they did they would not be complaining about Parliament exercising their sovereign rights.

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	It was the US who won the war They were the ones who gave us the freedom of choice we have today. Half of the D-Day troops were American, plus around 20,000 more were Canadian.

Forgot to add the Soviet Union

[marton]

UK still does not have a clue how the EU works!

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	It is claimed there is a British demand that the EU’s negotiating team treat a long-awaited cache of documents outlining the UK’s latest ideas as “Her Majesty’s government property”. Whitehall told the European commission team that the three “confidential” papers should not be distributed to Brexit delegates representing the EU’s 27 other member states.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...oposals-secretSource

They still do not understand that it is the EU 27 who will make the final decision.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	It was the US who won the war

It was the Allies who won the war.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	It was the Allies who won the war.

Indeed. Anyone can step in once the fighting is almost done, help out at the end, and claim their crucial role in victory.

Also, "the US (and USSR) won the war" ignores the enormous sacrifice and successes of ANZAC troops in the Asia-Pacific region, especially, among others.