The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

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	If you voted out because of "unelected politicians" then well done because we're about to get an unelected prime minister. .

Perhaps you never realised, nobody ever votes for a prime minister in the UK.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	What are the reasons for people voting to remain?

There is security in serfdom.

[porsch1909]

I voted remain but the delicious salty tears and whinging of remainers has made me wish I didn't

[marton]

Banks begin moving some operations out of Britain.

UK based banks are allowed to sell products in EU countries, main issue seems to be that this is only while UK is in the EU.
Banks in countries like Norway and Switzerland that are only EU linked (not full members) do not have the same rights.

Source (might be behind a paywall)

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	Let me clarify, the guy is thick as two short planks. My impression reinforced by my school mates who worked for/with him.

He's not stupid at all, that's the problem. He's just happens to be in a messy-haired, badly-suited, bike-riding package who fools us into thinking otherwise. I can't decide if he's his PR department's worst nightmare or their collective wet-dream. He either doesn't give a flying whatever what everyone thinks of him - or he knows exactly what image he portrays because it's all on purpose.

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	he's a national treasure too .

Judi Dench is a national treasure, Boris Johnson is a shark: he's not had to evolve because he was born to be a politician. Look at his dad. They're the same (other than his Dad wanted to stay in): Eton-educated; super-privileged, arrogant white men of a certain age who have always had their own way and don't see why that should change in the near future.


Yes, he can seem endearingly clownish. Yes he seems unthreatening. Yes, he's a bloody good host in entertainment programmes - but I think that's all smoke and mirrors. He doesn't want us to see how the trick is done - not yet, anyway.

[Castro]

	Quote:	daffy99
	The public vote on the UK leaving the EU is not binding. Why should parliament make any efforts to enact laws? Isn't it much more comfortable to sit the problems out forever? First the UK government waits half an eternity to invoke Article 50 of the Lisboa treaty. Then the clock starts ticking for two years - but, hey, we are all good buddies, so lets extend the time for even more negotiations on the divorce (Article 50 allows for that) What is, in real life, going to motivate the UK to actually pull through? (The EU itself cannot do anything until Article 50 has been activated by the UK) The funky thing is that all the time, the UK is going to be a full member of the EU, so it's not even that the UK is now some lame duck, making negotiations any easier because the spoil-sport is a goner. Now is the time to really tick everybody off, as "we are out anyway" (na-na-na, but not really, ha-ha!) All that in light of Web petition for 2nd EU referendum draws huge interest

Closed door meetings have already taken place sans GB, our commissioner has stepped down and diplomats have signalled to the EU that we wish to relinquish our presidency of the EU next Year. So there is already an orderly winding-down process going on behind the scenes.

	Quote:	Chuff
	Boris may be many things, but "thick as two short planks" isn't one of them. You are letting personal bias outweigh common sense there.

I'm really not. I am still in touch with a schoolmate that is a serving Tory MP who with somebody else that I know wrote many of the policy speeches that BoJo made as mayor of London. They find him amiable but stupid. If you watched him bumbling through the Andrew Marr show a few weeks ago and were impressed then I pity you.

[Stoker177]

	Quote:	marton
	Difference is between having to show your passport and also pass through immigration controls or not

In three years of living here with monthly travels by car back to the UK....I've never been asked for i.d. at the Swiss border.....I usually return late or early hours so maybe the guards like an early night

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	They're the same (other than his Dad wanted to stay in)

So does Boris.

The EU/UK story is very far from over, and I would not be at all surprised if Mr Johnson is involved in some kind of return to the fold, all in the interest of his ruthless ambition.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps you never realised, nobody ever votes for a prime minister in the UK.

This.


Plus on one of the BBC news programmes yesterday one of the political commentators (blonde woman, can't remember her name) was adamant that there would have to be an early GE (before Christmas) so as to avoid another Gordon Brown situation.


There's no guarantee the Tories will get back in. Although labour will need someone pretty fantastic in order to compete - Corbyn won't cut it even if he survives the no-confidence thing.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	Banks begin moving some operations out of Britain. UK based banks are allowed to sell products in EU countries, main issue seems to be that this is only while UK is in the EU. Banks in countries like Norway and Switzerland that are only EU linked (not full members) do not have the same rights. Source (might be behind a paywall)

Buying financial products is generally bad news for the purchasers, banks should have been wound up rather than rescued, so this would seem like good news for consumers.

[adrianlondon]

	Quote:	marton
	Source (might be behind a paywall)

Up yours, paywall.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=a3...5-82a9b15a8ee7

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	So does Boris. The EU/UK story is very far from over, and I would not be at all surprised if Mr Johnson is involved in some kind of return to the fold, all in the interest of his ruthless ambition.

Neither would I, actually. I'm amending my metaphor: he's the Wizard of Oz, the guy behind the curtain we're not supposed to know is actually not on the up-and-up.


Did anyone see Johnson senior on The Last Leg on Friday? He was banging on about family cricket games as if Brexit was a minor insignificance that could be sorted over a "friendly" game. He was entertaining, oddly charming, apparently eccentric, and clearly knew he was dissembling. He said nothing at all of any political relevance.

[Chuff]

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	This is how I feel- yes, an old biddie who loved the tolerant and open Britain I fell in love with in 1970, and later the open, diverse and toleratn multiculturalism of Leicester- 39 years. Will sign out now and go back to watching Glasto, and dream of the Isle of Wight 1970. Just can't stomach anymore. If you voted out because of "unelected politicians" then well done because we're about to get an unelected prime minister. If you voted out because of immigration then well done, because you just lost the right of free movement too. Just wait 'til you have to get a visa to go to Glasgow or Belfast. Posted on Facebook earlier today, well worth a read. If you voted out because people were "stealing your jobs" then well done, because you're about to see Germany and France "steal" Nissan and a bunch of other companies who only manufacture here as a gateway to the eu market. If you voted out because you think we'll get a great trade deal with the EEA "like Norway did", think again. Take a look around your Sainsbury's Local and try and find any fruit and veg that's grown in the UK. We need them more than they need us, and like the EEA, we'll have to accept EU policies like free movement as part of a trade deal anyway - except now we won't be able to have any say in them. If you voted out because of vague scaremongering headlines like "Migrant Crisis" then please, feel free to remind me when it was that Syria joined the EU. If you voted out because Farage promised £350m for the NHS, then I'm sure you'll be happy to watch him on This Morning revealing that that was a lie. If you voted out and you're heading into retirement, then great job! Because now the working people of this nation will break their backs to afford your pension without the influx of young, economically active and skilled EU migrants. If you voted out because you think we'll be better off, the £ has just fallen by 8% against the dollar. And if you voted out because you love this country, prepare to see it crumble, with threats of a unified Ireland and an independent Scotland just hours after the result was confirmed. Well done, Britain - and good bye.

Typical "Oldie doom mongering while reminiscing about how amazing everything used to be" spiel. Yawn.

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	I'm really not. I am still in touch with a schoolmate that is a serving Tory MP who with somebody else that I know wrote many of the policy speeches that BoJo made as mayor of London. They find him amiable but stupid. If you watched him bumbling through the Andrew Marr show a few weeks ago and were impressed then I pity you.

Yeah, and your objectivity is seeping out of my screen.

Something I found a little strange .. Of the 200 or so people on my Facebook feed, the referendum was not really mentioned before the day. The day after it went crazy, like the world is about to end, EVERY one of them (who voiced an opinion) was in the stay camp and were very vocal about what idiots the leave camp were, how could they do this to their children.. etc etc.

Seems to be similar in much of the media .. What a disaster, the vote should re-done, the economy is dead. I work in banking, we saw it tumble, we saw 25% more client activity on Friday until about 15h .. Then back to normal.

Why does it appear that only the stay camp are screaming ? The leave camp seem to be saying very little at all, not even celebrating.


Full disclosure - i didn't vote : Tried to register and it was a total hassle. Not 100% what i would have done.. But think UK was/is pretty broken and something had to give. That's why i left and came here of course.

	Quote:	John_H
	The leave camp seem to be saying very little at all, not even celebrating.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not celebrating because:

1) I'm not convinced the UK is actually going to leave the EU.
2) If it does, it will be painful. Necessary, but painful. One doesn't celebrate a course of antibiotics that you know will make you spend the next week in the bathroom, even if you know in your heart that they'll make you better in the end.
3) Almost everybody I know is a Remain supporter. They were utterly devastated on Friday morning. Several of them were very rude to me. I didn't have the heart to rub their noses in their defeat, even if I'd wanted to. Friends are still friends even if they vote the wrong way in a referendum!

[Stoker177]

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	"Johnson was educated at the European School of Brussels, Ashdown House School, and Eton College.

He was neighbours with my wife's family and they did indeed attend the International school in Brussels when Boris' father and my father in law worked for the commission.....I had supper with his father last year....they are incredibly alike and bumbling but very intelligent.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	John_H
	Something I found a little strange .. Of the 200 or so people on my Facebook feed, the referendum was not really mentioned before the day. The day after it went crazy, like the world is about to end, EVERY one of them (who voiced an opinion) was in the stay camp and were very vocal about what idiots the leave camp were, how could they do this to their children.. etc etc. Seems to be similar in much of the media .. What a disaster, the vote should re-done, the economy is dead. I work in banking, we saw it tumble, we saw 25% more client activity on Friday until about 15h .. Then back to normal.

Yup, there has been a hilarious amount of over-reacting that I have seen on social media ,as though the apocalypse has arrived and the four horsemen are now riding throughout the lands.

The desire for a re-vote also has me in stitches. We asked for a referendum, we got one, and now that people don't like the result they want to hold it again and impose conditions that sway the vote to one side? Yeah, that's democracy alright.

	Quote:	Chuff
	The desire for a remote also has me in stitches.

Oooh, I don't know. One click and Nigel Farage shuts the f up.

I'd quite like a remote like that.

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Yup, there has been a hilarious amount of over-reacting that I have seen on social media ,as though the apocalypse has arrived and the four horsemen are now riding throughout the lands. The desire for a remote also has me in stitches. We asked for a referendum, we got one, and now that people don't like the result they want to hold it again and impose conditions that sway the vote to one side? Yeah, that's democracy alright.

As entertaining as EF isn't it.


Particularly the younger people who seem to have confused clicking a "Like" button with voting.