The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[John William]

[autopoiesis]

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	DB, you know that dupe accounts get banned, right? But seriously, nice, creative post.

Eh? If by "DB" you mean my comment about Deutschbank, I don't claim it's an original thought: if others hadn't pointed out DB's exposure, then I certainly wouldn't have known about it (not a bank/financier).


What I have been wondering about is what tricks BoJo might have up his sleeve, to be so confident about 'delivering' regardless, and especially regarding his evident ambition and pathologically elevated self-regard.



It all reminded me of the bit in Games of Thrones, where Cersey fails to turn up for her trial, the consequences of which (the Lord High Sparrow confidently states) will be grave. Then, whatshername (the Tyrell girl who had been Joffrey's wife) realises something is deeply wrong: if Cersey's not there, then in must mean she doesn't fear the consequences, or even that they would materialise...


So, then: what must BoJo know/have that we don't, naive witnesses in the Sept of Baelor that we are, ignorant the impending fiery cataclysm...?



https://youtu.be/hjtPtTUx_ks?t=347



But seriously, no dupe account here (recent joiner, long-time lurker).

[Blueangel]

Awww. Diddums.

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	Boris Johnson referred to police watchdog over Jennifer Arcuri claims

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...laims-11821297

[Dinivan]

	Quote:	autopoiesis
	[COLOR=#000000][COLOR=#000000]1. The € is knackered, and susceptible to a nasty crash if nudged in the right (or wrong) way

They euro can't be knackered by the city, even if they city of london wanted to play by the wishes of the current UK government - which clearly they don't as proven by the fact that they've been moving assets and employees to the EU.

If by knackered you mean a sudden depreciation. This would require a massive sell-off of euros to a scale unimaginable for a private company. In addition, a depreciation of the euro would do a favour to the ECB... that would increase the inflation from imported materials and increase the euroarea's competitiveness all in one go without pissing off other powers that may object to such a move if it came from the ECB itself. We're not in the 90s, the Euro is not pegged against another currency.

Then there's the fact that it would likely trigger the purchase of euros by foreign central banks motivated by the need to keep their own currencies at a competitive level towards the euro, i.e. Switzerland, or because they are pegged to the euro, e.g. Denmark. Try to fight the appetite of a central bank with virtually unlimited capacity to buy euros by selling its own currency.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Why does Boris Johnson have to go Dinivan? The mechanisms are in place to remove him but none of the opposition parties dare do it. Would you believe he still has to go we’re he to win a majority in an election?

This should not be a partisan question. His own fellow MPs should be sending him away if they had any decency left. Unfortunately, there's few Rory Stewarts left in the conservative party.

The opposition parties are simply not following Boris' game. Why should they? Boris is losing big. He has not won a single vote in the parliament. Not one. This is a first in history for a PM. He desperately needs an election to try to shore up his position because it simply can't get worse than at present. But what is a weakness for him is a strength for the others: they control a UK government now bound to ask for the extension. They only need to sit down and wait for the extension to be granted, then call the election in November.

And I don't think BoJo minds it too much either. When it comes to it, he will claim that he asked for the extension grudgingly as a man that respects the law, against his wishes. He wants to become the new brexit messiah. But in the process to get elected as PM he is destroying the country. So much for a statesman!

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Dinivan
	But what is a weakness for him is a strength for the others: they control a UK government now bound to ask for the extension. They only need to sit down and wait for the extension to be granted, then call the election in November.

I feel we're going to be hearing the term 'nob off' (nobile officium) a lot over the coming days thanks to the latest case listed by the Scottish Inner House. #noboffboris
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...36964625686528

marton! Pass the popcorn please!

[Blueangel]

Johnson and Farage currently under investigation by the police.

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	Mr Johnson will be keen to focus attention on his key pledges on crime, schools and the NHS in the build up to an anticipated general election.But he is facing controversy over being referred to the police watchdog for his links to a US businesswoman.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rence-11821883

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	Nigel Farage: Police investigate Brexit Party leader's vow to 'take knife to pen pushers'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in...shers-11821630

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Johnson and Farage currently under investigation by the police. https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rence-11821883 https://news.sky.com/story/police-in...shers-11821630

I wonder what the people who reported the alleged crimes are hoping to achieve.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I wonder what the people who reported the alleged crimes are hoping to achieve.

Holding people in power to the standards expected and worthy of their office.

This is pure genius! "limbless chickens"

How does this work?

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I wonder what the people who reported the alleged crimes are hoping to achieve.

Possibly that criminals are locked up so they can no longer pursue their crooked ways

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	Possibly that criminals are locked up so they can no longer pursue their crooked ways

Yes, possibly.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Yes, possibly.

Ask yourself this... Why were there no such allegations regarding Theresa May?

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Ask yourself this... Why were there no such allegations regarding Theresa May?

Can't remember Theresa saying anything about kniving MPs or having her side chicks on luxury trips on taxpayer's money. She might have been completely useless but she wasn't dishonest or a fascist. She tried to build consensus, to unite the country not split it into 2 by calling for a war between people and Parliament.

This is textbook dictatorship stuff: the supreme court decision was politically motivated so judges must be controlled by him now, his MPs who don't agree with him are booted from the party, he loses his majority so he incites violence and polarisation to cause an election he thinks he'll win.

The distance from a few years of Johnson to Orban to Mugabe is just a few cycles away. He already made the UK a laughing stock on the international scene, this will take years to restore.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Can't remember Theresa saying anything about kniving MPs or having her side chicks on luxury trips on taxpayer's money. She might have been completely useless but she wasn't dishonest or a fascist. She tried to build consensus, to unite the country not split it into 2 by calling for a war between people and Parliament. This is textbook dictatorship stuff: the supreme court decision was politically motivated so judges must be controlled by him now, his MPs who don't agree with him are booted from the party, he loses his majority so he incites violence and polarisation to cause an election he thinks he'll win. The distance from a few years of Johnson to Orban to Mugabe is just a few cycles away. He already made the UK a laughing stock on the international scene, this will take years to restore.

A very thoughtful and measured summary. It is good to read such a well balanced opinion.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Mikers
	A very thoughtful and measured summary. It is good to read such a well balanced opinion.

Isn't this what people say when they're left with no arguments?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	This is pure genius! "limbless chickens"

He shouldn't have mentioned "chickens". Seriously.

What was that rambling about?

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Johnson and Farage currently under investigation by the police. https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rence-11821883 https://news.sky.com/story/police-in...shers-11821630

Farage charges dropped. Just to keep everyone updated.

	Quote:	Mikers
	Farage charges dropped. Just to keep everyone updated.

He was never charged in the first place. The police simply investigated a complaint and determined (correctly, imo) that it was unfounded.

[Blueangel]

This tickles me no end. Brexit party candidate thought he'd have a little poll of his own but didn't get the result he expected


https://twitter.com/paul4wimbledon/s...60724872077312

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	This tickles me no end. Brexit party candidate thought he'd have a little poll of his own but didn't get the result he expected Attachment 137811 https://twitter.com/paul4wimbledon/s...60724872077312

The fact of the matter is that it reflects the common sense of EU counterparts all along this sad journey.
Sorry, but...

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Farage charges dropped. Just to keep everyone updated.

Do you ever actually get the facts correct? He was not charged with anything.

When you can't get the basic facts correctly, how do you ever expect to make the best choice for your country?????

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Do you ever actually get the facts correct? He was not charged with anything. When you can't get the basic facts correctly, how do you ever expect to make the best choice for your country?????

Sorry, I meant complaint. Something of an aggressive tone for a simple piece of English I typed on the iPhone in a hurry.

But I forgot you hate England and are hoping we suffer as acutely as possible so you can gloat in your superiority.