The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...-escape-route/

Just one response from the legal community to this opinion piece...
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...61489935904768

Author: Alexander Pelling-Bruce a political researcher, or perhaps he's the Alexander Pelling-Bruce - actor who starred in the 2016 film 'Kids In Love'. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5975049/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm

Either way, he's not a member of the legal profession thus, his opinion is no more qualified than yours or mine.

I have one question for you FMF, how will your life tangibly improve if the UK leaves the EU on 31 October?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I have one question for you FMF, how will your life tangibly improve if the UK leaves the EU on 31 October?

He'll be able to spend more time with his wife and less time posting crap on the forum

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	keyboardandmouse
	Because having no deal would be worse for everyone I thought ? plus the British wont pay the 39 billion he already said so.

Of course they'll pay and meet all their other obligations as well, it is only a question of when and if Boris will call it something else.

- No trade deal with the EU
- No trade deal with the US (blocked by Congress)
- No trade deal with Canada (blocked by EU trade agreement)
- No trade deal with Japan (blocked by EU trade agreement)
- No trade deal with the Mercosur (blocked by EU trade agreement)
- No approval of WTO trade schedules (requires all 168 members to approve)
- No access to EU for financial services

That is the consequences of a No Deal.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Of course they'll pay and meet all their other obligations as well, it is only a question of when and if Boris will call it something else. - No trade deal with the EU - No trade deal with the US (blocked by Congress) - No trade deal with Canada (blocked by EU trade agreement) - No trade deal with Japan (blocked by EU trade agreement) - No trade deal with the Mercosur (blocked by EU trade agreement) - No approval of WTO trade schedules (requires all 168 members to approve) - No access to EU for financial services That is the consequences of a No Deal.

Yes, yes, but EMPIRE, old chap!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I have one question for you FMF, how will your life tangibly improve if the UK leaves the EU on 31 October?

EU debts will end up being shared, huge EU pension deficits will Bankrupt the UK to stay a member. If it was a business transaction after due diligence I would run a mile.
It's not about me it's about the country, you are just thinking about yourself which could be described as selfish.

[curley]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	That's why BoJo is ordered to get an extension if no agreement has been reached by October 19.

An other extension?! Are you sure?

There are two things to choose one from.
There.is.no.third.thing.to.choose.

Will somebody explain this to them?
Time for Eeny Meeny Miney Mo?

[marton]

After Boris's speech today the UK FTSE100 stock index fell by the largest amount since January 2016.
Probably just a coincidence.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	EU debts will end up being shared, huge EU pension deficits will Bankrupt the UK to stay a member. If it was a business transaction after due diligence I would run a mile. It's not about me it's about the country, you are just thinking about yourself which could be described as selfish.

So to clarify, you will receive no tangible benefit from Brexit but you're quite happy to throw 5 million people under the bus, plus all those who will suffer from medical shortages which will undoubtedly exacerbate the current shortages? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-supply-issue/

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	EU debts will end up being shared, huge EU pension deficits will Bankrupt the UK to stay a member. If it was a business transaction after due diligence I would run a mile. It's not about me it's about the country, you are just thinking about yourself which could be described as selfish.

Well it would help to start by being realistic. You have no basis whatsoever for claiming that national debts or pension deficits will be shared other than your opinion and then purely on unsubstantiated option you make a decision for your country, sounds like you are putting yourself first....

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Well it would help to start by being realistic. You have no basis whatsoever for claiming that national debts or pension deficits will be shared other than your opinion and then purely on unsubstantiated option you make a decision for your country, sounds like you are putting yourself first....

I thought we were going to get closer aligned as time goes on. This was denighed by Ted Heath before the 1975 Referendum.

I guess cheaper food is a good starting point, I assume that even you eat food.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	So to clarify, you will receive no tangible benefit from Brexit but you're quite happy to throw 5 million people under the bus, plus all those who will suffer from medical shortages which will undoubtedly exacerbate the current shortages? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-supply-issue/

My first & most tangible benefit is I will get a 10 year residence permit in Malta as apposed to the 5 year ones EU citizens get, since you are pushing me for an answer. Second there is a bigger chance that my OAP will be paid when I am 67 years old.

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	My first & most tangible benefit is I will get a 10 year residence permit in Malta as apposed to the 5 year ones EU citizens get, since you are pushing me for an answer. Second there is a bigger chance that my OAP will be paid when I am 67 years old.

So your not an Expat in Switzerland ?

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Well it would help to start by being realistic. You have no basis whatsoever for claiming that national debts or pension deficits will be shared other than your opinion and then purely on unsubstantiated option you make a decision for your country, sounds like you are putting yourself first....

what percentage of the voters would do that? 99.9%?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	My first & most tangible benefit is I will get a 10 year residence permit in Malta as apposed to the 5 year ones EU citizens get, since you are pushing me for an answer. Second there is a bigger chance that my OAP will be paid when I am 67 years old.

That could be described as selfish 😁

[greenmount]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	EU debts will end up being shared, huge EU pension deficits will Bankrupt the UK to stay a member. If it was a business transaction after due diligence I would run a mile. It's not about me it's about the country, you are just thinking about yourself which could be described as selfish.

There weren't any talks about EU pension funds deficits being "shared".

This is a made-up argument a la Farage.

Seriously, the more I read what Brexiteers fear the more I understand why so many people don't want this Brexit. Too many lies, too many "what ifs".

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	My first & most tangible benefit is I will get a 10 year residence permit in Malta as apposed to the 5 year ones EU citizens get, since you are pushing me for an answer. Second there is a bigger chance that my OAP will be paid when I am 67 years old.

EU citizens are entitled to apply for permanent residency after five years as well as being able to retire permanent to Malta and pay tax on a remittance basis.

A recession, a declining economy, trade difficulties and Boris’s spending promises will reduce the Exchequer take and you expect this to increase your chances of being paid your OAP from a pay as you go system.... you might want to reread the NI document and count the number of times the word May is used especially in respect to voluntary contributions.

BREXIT is all about self, so I would not have very high expectations about the changes of them doing much to look after expats, how about healthcare for instance.

And these are your tangible benefits....

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	EU citizens are entitled to apply for permanent residency after five years as well as being able to retire permanent to Malta and pay tax on a remittance basis. A recession, a declining economy, trade difficulties and Boris’s spending promises will reduce the Exchequer take and you expect this to increase your chances of being paid your OAP from a pay as you go system.... you might want to reread the NI document and count the number of times the word May is used especially in respect to voluntary contributions. BREXIT is all about self, so I would not have very high expectations about the changes of them doing much to look after expats, how about healthcare for instance. And these are your tangible benefits....

There you are WRONG, if you take permanent residence you are no longer taxed on a remittance basis & liable to CGT tax on worldwide gains. No thanks .

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	There you are WRONG, if you take permanent residence you are no longer taxed on a remittance basis & liable to CGT tax on worldwide gains. No thanks .

At last! There we have it! The entire reason the referendum happened when it did, was because of changes to tax laws. And to think that a self-admitted tax Dodger would happily throw millions of his fellow countrymen under the bus all to save himself a few pennies

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	At last! There we have it! The entire reason the referendum happened when it did, was because of changes to tax laws. And to think that a self-admitted tax Dodger would happily throw millions of his fellow countrymen under the bus all to save himself a few pennies

Seems like you don't understand how referendums work. FMF had only one vote and his own motivation. So did all other voters.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	That could be described as selfish 😁

In contrast to people whose opinion on Brexit is guided by property they own, or want to inherit?