The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	They are parody votes. Do you believe that there is still 4% that wants to leave with a deal?

I don't believe anything on twitter polls because anyone in the world can vote on them. Registered British voters living outside of the UK are excluded from YouGov polls and the likes, but on social media, anyone can vote. Also, many of the polls used as reference for the media have phenomenally small sample groups, some even under 2,000.

Little geek fact... in the UK, GE exit polls are based on a sample size as low as 20k. For the EU Referendum, there were no official exit polls at all as there were no previous measures to make the exercise worthwhile, e.g. no 'swing votes' of shifts in voting patterns to assess.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's not clear to me that this is possible, because there is no "agreement between the UK and the EU under Art50(2)." The commons themselves rejected the proposed agreement, and under house rules it cannot even be reintroduced in the current session. S.4 therefore presents Boris with an impossibility. The opposition seems to have overlooked is that you can’t enforce an order for the impossible (plenty of caselaw). Bye Bye EU

Of course it is not clear to you....

The HOC refused to ratify the agreement.... the agreement was signed by T. May and is sitting there still awaiting ratification. How do you think she could have kept bring it back if it had been rejected.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Of course it is not clear to you.... The HOC refused to ratify the agreement.... the agreement was signed by T. May and is sitting there still awaiting ratification. How do you think she could have kept bring it back if it had been rejected.

Nothing signed unless someone is telling porkies and besides, absent some weird side letter agreement, it would be treated as rejected if counter offers have been going backwards and forwards since then. But then you would know that

Boris could put a proposal saying “in all good faith we think you have defrauded us by a trillion over the years but we’ll accept €60 billion and Juncker’s wine cellar and yes I’ll take that to parliament for a vote whenever you want”.

UK does get the worst deal of any country, it's amazing how astute the voters were in the referendum

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	UK does get the worst deal of any country, it's amazing how astute the voters were in the referendum

The deal they were offered was based on their redline items. And if you expect that the EU is going to disadvantage themselves to give you the deal you want, then you are going to be very disappointed.

And an this point I'd done responding to this kind of nonsense.

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Brits would, or rather should, know that GB does not include Northern Ireland, and that Brexit is about the UK, not GB, leaving the EU.

Should know is right. I'd bet beer on "would know" being wrong.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The deal they were offered was based on their redline items. And if you expect that the EU is going to disadvantage themselves to give you the deal you want, then you are going to be very disappointed. And an this point I'd done responding to this kind of nonsense.

Let's see if it is nonsense, just over 3 weeks to go, can't wait. Your attitude which reflects the EU is precisely why Britain needs to leave.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	UK does get the worst deal of any country, it's amazing how astute the voters were in the referendum

What is the EU cartel? Care to explain?

The chart is meaningless. It might become meaningful if you provided the data or study it's derived from, who produced and paid for it. Which you probably can't because ActionBrexit doesn't either.

Next.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Nothing signed unless someone is telling porkies and besides, absent some weird side letter agreement, it would be treated as rejected if counter offers have been going backwards and forwards since then. But then you would know that Boris could put a proposal saying “in all good faith we think you have defrauded us by a trillion over the years but we’ll accept €60 billion and Juncker’s wine cellar and yes I’ll take that to parliament for a vote whenever you want”. UK does get the worst deal of any country, it's amazing how astute the voters were in the referendum

Completely unbiased information from the Brexit party

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	What is the EU cartel? Care to explain?

It's price fixing - like when the EU tell mobile phone companies to make their roaming charges lower.

[lewton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Nothing signed unless someone is telling porkies and besides, absent some weird side letter agreement, it would be treated as rejected if counter offers have been going backwards and forwards since then. But then you would know that Boris could put a proposal saying “in all good faith we think you have defrauded us by a trillion over the years but we’ll accept €60 billion and Juncker’s wine cellar and yes I’ll take that to parliament for a vote whenever you want”. UK does get the worst deal of any country, it's amazing how astute the voters were in the referendum

What data is that based on?

[bowlie]

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	It's price fixing - like when the EU tell mobile phone companies to make their roaming charges lower.

Actually what the EU did (following a proposal from the commission, debate and approval from the Parliament and acceptance by the Member States in the Council) was to tell EU companies they could not charge more for services provided in another Member State.

They did not fix prices, but emphasized that this principle of the single market must be applied. Telcoms can charge anything they want.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Actually what the EU did (following a proposal from the commission, debate and approval from the Parliament and acceptance by the Member States in the Council) was to tell EU companies they could not charge more for services provided in another Member State. They did not fix prices, but emphasized that this principle of the single market must be applied. Telcoms can charge anything they want.

Exactly. It's more like an anti-cartel measure actually.

[John William]

Brilliant Ode to arch Brexiteer, Old Etonian, Chairman of the ERG and Leader of the House of Commons,
Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Brilliant parody song of Jacob Rees-Mogg

[fatmanfilms]

I am amused that intelligent educated people still claim the masses were not capable of understanding the real meaning of the verb 'to leave'

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I am amused that intelligent educated people still claim the masses were not capable of understanding the real meaning of the verb 'to leave'

Oh they understood it. But they were told that leaving would mean remaining in the single market and in customs union. Oh and no mention of having to break the GFA.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	Oh they understood it. But they were told that leaving would mean remaining in the single market and in customs union. Oh and no mention of having to break the GFA.

I think leaving the single market is likely to be the most profitable aspect of leaving, going forward.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I think leaving the single market is likely to be the most profitable aspect of leaving, going forward.

Yes, but for whom? Brits can expect price increases on a very wide range of goods and services, most of which will be blamed on Brexit. No doubt some of these claims will be accurate.

	Quote:	bowlie
	Yes, but for whom? Brits can expect price increases on a very wide range of goods and services, most of which will be blamed on Brexit. No doubt some of these claims will be accurate.

...and/or a considerable decline in their working and environmental standards. The single market has some level (not enough) of protection against abuse of both which workers and the environment in the UK run the risk of loosing.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Yes, but for whom? Brits can expect price increases on a very wide range of goods and services, most of which will be blamed on Brexit. No doubt some of these claims will be accurate.

I doubt they will see any price increases, prices have not risen as a result of the fall in the value of sterling, food prices wii fall as EU tariffs won't be applied to non EU imports. Cheaper New Zealand Lamb & Argentinian beef yum yum. If you want to sell in a market place, global competition sets the market price, suppliers of commodity products can't increase prices just because their costs go up.

	Quote:
	...and/or a considerable decline in their working and environmental standards. The single market has some level (not enough) of protection against abuse of both which workers and the environment in the UK run the risk of loosing.

Far too many EU rules & red tape, far better to make it easy for disgruntled employees to set up their own business's if they think they are being abused & believe their services are worth more.

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I doubt they will see any price increases, prices have not risen as a result of the fall in the value of sterling

Sure. Just ask people buying Apple hardware.


Anything that is traded in Dollars and that the UK can't produce itself is going to shoot up in price.