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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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...Lets wait & see only a few weeks of this nonsense left
We'll see. I'm not so certain that UK will leave the EU on 31st October no matter what. However this government keeps saying it so if they don't it's not going to look good.
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Old 03.10.2019, 21:28
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Bojo will betray everyone, there's not going to be a Brexit on October 31st.
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Old 03.10.2019, 21:35
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Bojo will betray everyone, there's not going to be a Brexit on October 31st.
Guess it depends on what one considers betrayal. If you think Brexit is a great idea and needs to happen no matter what, then you'd be sorely disappointed again if it doesn't happen on 31st Oct. If you think Brexit is a terrible idea, you'll be quite happy if Boris can't manage to deliver and there's another extension or a cancellation altogether.
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Old 03.10.2019, 21:54
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He can only betray those who believe in such a despicable character who has repeatedly lied, cheated and exploited....aka the Brexiteers who see him as a Messiah.
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Old 03.10.2019, 21:58
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For anyone not aware of this story, I love Jo Maugham's response.

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/sta...37054820028416
He is the crowdfunding Barrister when outside his field, normally deals with taxation litigation, not sure he is the man to ask on this
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Old 03.10.2019, 22:02
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For anyone not aware of this story, I love Jo Maugham's response.

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/sta...37054820028416
Relax. His previous great hope turned out to be a political analyst with zero legal qualifications
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Talking of tweets and the Brexiteers dreams of a special trade deal with the USA. Watch out for Trump
making a 'take it or leave it trade deal offer with the UK' conditional on Britain investigating any wrong
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If you think Brexit is a great idea and needs to happen no matter what, then you'd be sorely disappointed again if it doesn't happen on 31st Oct.
Remember when Loz said he'd bought a case of champagne for when the UK leaves the EU in March 2018? Wonder if he's drunk it yet...
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...and won the Joanna Cherry Prorogation case in the Scottish Inner Court.
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So much for the Brexiteer dream of having a special relationship with the US...

I bet the BoJo administration will end up settling for the removal of these new tariffs in exchange for the chlorinated chicken and call it a victory.
They won’t get a deal because Trump does not have the power to give them one. Democrat or Republican, if you are a congressman from a distinct with a large number of Irish-American voters, you don’t vote from a deal that does not respect the GFA.

The GFA is a big thing in US congressional politics, for years congressmen have been peddling the idea that they brought peace to the old country to win Irish-American votes. The last thing they want is for their opponents to start peddling the idea that they voted to return the old country to a state of war!
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Guess it depends on what one considers betrayal. If you think Brexit is a great idea and needs to happen no matter what, then you'd be sorely disappointed again if it doesn't happen on 31st Oct. If you think Brexit is a terrible idea, you'll be quite happy if Boris can't manage to deliver and there's another extension or a cancellation altogether.
Yes this is a good summary. no one can tell what anyone wants any more. there is no trust.
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Old 04.10.2019, 06:40
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Remember when Loz said he'd bought a case of champagne for when the UK leaves the EU in March 2018? Wonder if he's drunk it yet...
Yes, and he also said he was counting the seconds till that moment.

A case of Brexit fanaticism.


(I hope by then he'll be back in the UK to replace one of those people that he and his mates really want out of UK)
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He can only betray those who believe in such a despicable character who has repeatedly lied, cheated and exploited....aka the Brexiteers who see him as a Messiah.
Found an article in NYT on this one


A Fanatical Sect Has Hijacked British Politics
Boris Johnson is poised to become prime minister thanks to a small, unrepresentative population of Brexiteer voters bent on destruction.

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LONDON — It seems there is only one voter who matters to British politics right now: a Brexit-obsessed, 50-something white man living in rural southern England.

Why? Because a quirk of Britain’s unwritten constitution is that prime ministers are often appointed by their parties without facing general election. John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May all entered office as a result of their predecessor resigning, and then being selected by their party to take charge. Only Mr. Major was ever able to achieve any clear electoral success of his own.

Mrs. May’s resignation last month meant that, once again, a new prime minister will soon be appointed without a democratic mandate. The overwhelming favorite is Boris Johnson, the controversial journalist-turned-politician, with a lifelong weakness for causing offense and then laughing off the consequences. Unless there is a great upset, Mr. Johnson’s appointment will be announced on July 23, leaving this notoriously reckless figure to navigate Britain’s exit from the European Union, which he has committed to delivering by the Oct. 31 deadline.

Each political party has its own way of handling the process. Mr. Brown insisted that he be handed the job by Tony Blair uncontested, which is what happened in 2007. (This was described as a “gigantic fraud” at the time by none other than Mr. Johnson.) For the Conservatives, there is a complicated series of votes among the party’s members of Parliament to whittle things down to two candidates, who are then presented to the party’s members. The choice before the Conservative membership is between Mr. Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, a more trusted but unexciting man, with far less appeal to the Conservative base.

At a time of deep political and economic anxiety, the contest is producing the surreal experience of something that feels like democracy — an election campaign season, complete with televised debates and policy announcements — but without any public franchise. In this case, the “electorate” consists of a mere 160,000 people, just 0.3 percent of the national electorate, who are significantly older and richer than average. And while Mr. Johnson is hounded by questions surrounding his honesty and indiscretions — questions that might damage him in a nationwide contest — the Conservative Party membership seems to view his personality as an asset.

This is uncharted territory. Conservative Party rules have changed since Mr. Major entered office in 1990, to allow the members to have the final say. (Mrs. May’s rivals all withdrew in 2016, so the members weren’t consulted.) At first glance, a leader elected by 160,000 people might seem to have a greater democratic mandate than one appointed by their own colleagues. But as more becomes known about the unusual identities and priorities of the party members, the worry is that Britain is now in the grip of something combining the worst aspects of both oligarchy and representative democracy. It might best be described as unrepresentative democracy.


Mr. Johnson’s appeal to his base rests heavily on his enthusiastic comments about “no deal” Brexit, a kamikaze policy that would devastate Britain’s economy and produce a state of emergency for basic civil infrastructure, such as the supply of medicines. It would, however, signal a complete rejection of the authority of Brussels, which is why Mr. Johnson toys with it. The fact that a clear majority of the public opposes the idea is, for now, irrelevant.

More disturbingly, new polling suggests that Conservative Party members are now so fixated on Brexit that they believe it is worth doing at almost any cost — even if it leads to Northern Ireland or Scotland leaving the United Kingdom, “significant damage to the U.K. economy” or, most strikingly, the destruction of the Conservative Party. For the next few weeks, the most influential force in British politics is a fanatical sect.

How did Britain reach this extraordinary situation? A plausible part of the explanation is that the Conservative Party has been heavily infiltrated by supporters of Nigel Farage, the far-right populist who formerly led the U.K. Independence Party and who recently established the Brexit Party. His new party took more than a third of the vote in May’s European Parliament elections, energized by the fact that Britain did not leave the European Union on the scheduled date of March 29.


Last August, Arron Banks, a major U.K.I.P. funder over the years and backer of the xenophobic Leave.EU campaign, wrote an op-ed for The Times of London titled “Join Tories and unseat the traitor Theresa.” It’s hard to know for certain how many people have followed Mr. Banks’s advice, but Faragism has clearly penetrated the Conservative Party: 59 percent of Conservative members voted for the Brexit Party in the European elections. What’s more, the majority of Mr. Johnson’s supporters in the membership joined the party after the 2016 referendum. The party also appears to have experienced a surge in membership of around 30 percent since last summer, when confidence in Mrs. May’s Brexit deal started to plummet.

Pockets of deep resentment toward governing “elites” are a feature of most liberal democracies today, to which there are a range of possible responses. What’s different in Britain is the collision between its old-fashioned, unwritten constitution and the exceptional drama of Brexit, which has become a Trojan Horse through which nationalist, anti-establishment rage is being channeled directly into the corridors of power. For years, the case for reforming Britain’s constitution, to ensure that parties and parliament are more representative of the public, has been viewed as a somewhat academic topic, never urgent enough to demand much attention. Not any more.

For the time being, Mr. Johnson has said enough to reassure the Conservative members that he will govern with the same xenophobic bravado that he has always expressed in his journalism. But if Mr. Johnson’s personality offers one glimmer of hope, it’s that he’s never shown any indication of holding principles, and is entirely relaxed about letting people down.

William Davies (@davies_will) is a sociologist and political economist at Goldsmiths, University of London, and the author, most recently, of “Nervous States: Democracy and the Decline of Reason.”
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Rory Stewart has announced he's stepping down at the next GE and has resigned from Conservative Party.
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Rory Stewart has announced he's stepping down at the next GE and has resigned from Conservative Party.



At least that can be chalked up as a Success for Brexit !
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Be prepared for begging letters from relatives and friends from UK:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38492903.html
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Pure scaremongering
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https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38492903.html
Aren't a lot of the online pharamcies that fill our spam folders claiming to be UK based? Because stuff is supposedly cheaper there?

So it would seem that the flow of medications (or some significant part thereof) is actually going the other way?
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I assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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I assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.
The video in this link was broadcast on the UK national 6pm and 10pm news two nights ago.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-02/...ly-disruption/
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The video in this link was broadcast on the UK national 6pm and 10pm news two nights ago.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-02/...ly-disruption/
This is unrelated to Brexit and is about the current situation.
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