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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 04.10.2019, 13:05
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An article in the current BMJ expresses great concerns about the rise of counterfeit, substandard and falsified drugs coming on the market from India and China. This will be made much worse if people try to get hold of the medicines they use and that won't be available from their doctor, and turn to the internet, etc.

One of the many elements the article mentions too, is that a very low Sterling, makes importing medicines much more expensive. Compared to the Swiss France, for instance, Sterling has fallen by over 60% in 10 years (I know, for sure !) .. which means that 60% is added to the cost.

I have made arrangements with my GP to get an essential medicine for a grandchild, on private prescription that we will pay for.
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One of the many elements the article mentions too, is that a very low Sterling, makes importing medicines much more expensive. Compared to the Swiss France, for instance, Sterling has fallen by over 60% in 10 years (I know, for sure !) .. which means that 60% is added to the cost.
Actually a drop by 60% in the exchange rate translates to a 150% increase in £.

Lets say the £ drops by 60% vs the CHF, say from 3 CHF down to 1.20 per CHF, then something that costs 3 CHF used to cost 1£, wheras it costs 2.5£ after the drop.
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This is unrelated to Brexit and is about the current situation.
I know... https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...ml#post3106207
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Sorry for not checking your full posting history. I should have seen that you put the context for that post in another post. What a big mistake
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Urs Max, hmm yes, exactly.
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ET go home ?



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When great spoof ... because the scary truth:

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I admire your confidence, however it's not shared by a partner in a top London Law practice.

Lets wait & see only a few weeks of this nonsense left
Boris Johnson will write to EU requesting article 50 extension, court told

So the government lawyers don't seem to agree with your logic. Once the court finding is issued, Boris would be in contempt of court if he fails to do so and this something that could land him in prison.
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Boris Johnson will write to EU requesting article 50 extension, court told

So the government lawyers don't seem to agree with your logic. Once the court finding is issued, Boris would be in contempt of court if he fails to do so and this something that could land him in prison.
BoJo's balls are slowly looking like has swum in ice water.
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https://www.facebook.com/AdSinistram...2809196773593/
Scarily prescient. Such a shame Spitting Image isn't around any more. There's such a dire need for satire at the moment and the likes of Private Eye and Have I Got News for You probably don't reach a wide enough audience.
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Old 04.10.2019, 18:22
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Scarily prescient. Such a shame Spitting Image isn't around any more. There's such a dire need for satire at the moment and the likes of Private Eye and Have I Got News for You probably don't reach a wide enough audience.
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BoJo's balls are slowly looking like has swum in ice water.
His nuts are caught in a bench vice. The handle's been removed and the garage is on fire. What will he do?
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Seems to me that A50 says something to the effect that we leave 'according to the constitutional arrangements of the member state which wishes to leave'? As observance of the Rule of Law is part of our constitution then breaking our law would be contrary to our constitutional arrangements.
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Boris Johnson will write to EU requesting article 50 extension, court told

So the government lawyers don't seem to agree with your logic. Once the court finding is issued, Boris would be in contempt of court if he fails to do so and this something that could land him in prison.
I thought I'd read somewhere that the government will write the letter as required, but there's nothing to stop them sending reps in person to ask a sympathetic (or fed up?) EU country to block any extension. An extension has to be agreed by all 27 member countries, so all they need is one and "no deal" is basically a done deal.

Either that or Johnson thinks he's got everyone over a barrel. Give the EU some vague proposal that looks okay-ish, take the same proposal to parliament, and accuse both sides of failing if they don't agree to his deal. Similar to May, his deal or no deal and he's actually willing to do no deal whereas she was not.

Edit - Even in the article it hints such a thing is possible:
"The BBC source said the Benn act’s “very specific narrow duty” did not prevent the government from “other communications, private and public” which, O’Neill said, would thwart the act’s duties to seek an extension to article 50 after 19 October."
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Rory Stewart has announced he's stepping down at the next GE and has resigned from Conservative Party.
Seems he is running for mayor of London! Who said you could not make this stuff up!

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Edit - Even in the article it hints such a thing is possible:
"The BBC source said the Benn act’s “very specific narrow duty” did not prevent the government from “other communications, private and public” which, O’Neill said, would thwart the act’s duties to seek an extension to article 50 after 19 October."
There is no obligation on the EU to entertain such nonsense, they will simply ignore it and deal with the official letter.
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If memory serves, that condition is mentioned in section 1 of §50, which deals with giving notice only. It's not literally a requirement for all steps of the process. Again, if memory serves.

The current state, under which the UK will leave at the end of this month, has been reached lawfully.

And if BoJo absolutely wanted to stay out of prison, what if he were seeking an extension he knows the EU won't agree to, like, one for 99 years? I bet that would conform to the Benn act, I have never seen a time limit mentioned. As ordered by the law BoJo would have seeked an extension pity, he failed to get one. And if he misjudged and does get it, he could still make sure it's not ratified in due time, though with the risk of going to prison. Nonetheless, tough luck Remainers, hasta la vista EU!
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Nasty - they must not be allowed to get away with this:

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Cummings & Johnson’s latest desperate strategy is clearly to whip up a ‘betrayal’ frenzy, with a whiff of riot, to pressurise MPs & maybe even to try & justify emergency powers to override the Benn Act

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One of the many elements the article mentions too, is that a very low Sterling, makes importing medicines much more expensive. Compared to the Swiss France, for instance, Sterling has fallen by over 60% in 10 years (I know, for sure !) .. which means that 60% is added to the cost.
I know you were not a math teacher, however at close on Monday 5th October 2009 the £1 = 1.6481 today it's 1.23 which is approximately a 25% fall, a far cry from your claimed 60% which you 'know for sure'

I have attached a 10 year graph, interestingly the low point of 2010 was below it's value today
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