The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Cheaper New Zealand Lamb & Argentinian beef yum yum.

Whilst British lamb and beef producers lose a substantial segment of their market? You really are trolling with that comment.

Trump will be out before you can say 'Deal' thank goodness.

[3Wishes]

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	Trump will be out before you can say 'Deal' thank goodness.

Out where, out of office? Not likely. The Rs in the Senate will not remove him from office even if the House impeaches him.

Bojo and Trump are buddies, I think they'll try to strike some sort of trade agreement.

[TonyClifton]

It’s remarkable after three years how many people still can’t accept the result of the referendum. Still arguing after all this time that the referendum result was advisory, or that there was no clear majority, or that it was won fraudulently. I think the most absurd argument is that the result shouldn’t stand because “people didn’t know what they were voting for”. Were this the case surely the opinion polls would have shifted significantly with voters being unhappy they’d been deceived, whereas the fact of the matter is they’ve barely moved the entire time since the vote in 2016.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Bojo and Trump are buddies, I think they'll try to strike some sort of trade agreement.

FRom the Guardian in July- still as valid as ever:

''Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned.

Boris Johnson has presented a trade deal with the US as a way of offsetting the economic costs of leaving the EU, and Donald Trump promised the two countries could strike “a very substantial trade agreement” that would increase trade “four or five times”.

Trump, however, would not be able to push an agreement through a hostile Congress, where there would be strong bipartisan opposition to any UK trade deal in the event of a threat to the 1998 Good Friday agreement, and to the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.
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The comments came as Johnson was in Northern Ireland in an effort to revive power-sharing talks between his allies in the Democratic Unionist party and Sinn Féin, as well as discuss Brexit preparations.

Johnson’s rise to power, and his demand for the EU to drop the backstop, which is intended to safeguard the open border after Brexit, has galvanised determination in Congress to make a stand in defence of the landmark accord, to which the US is guarantor.

“The American dimension to the Good Friday agreement is indispensable,” said Richard Neal, who is co-chair of the 54-strong Friends of Ireland caucus in Congress, and also chairs the powerful House ways and means committee, with the power to hold up a trade deal indefinitely.

“We oversee all trade agreements as part of our tax jurisdiction,” Neal, a Democratic congressman from Massachusetts, said in a phone interview. He pointed out that such a complex trade deal could take four or five years, even without the Northern Ireland issue.''

[Sky]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It’s remarkable after three years how many people still can’t accept the result of the referendum. Still arguing after all this time that the referendum result was advisory, or that there was no clear majority, or that it was won fraudulently. I think the most absurd argument is that the result shouldn’t stand because “people didn’t know what they were voting for”. Were this the case surely the opinion polls would have shifted significantly with voters being unhappy they’d been deceived, whereas the fact of the matter is they’ve barely moved the entire time since the vote in 2016.

People certainly did vote to leave, but:
1) only a certain % of the population voted
2) they didn’t vote for a «no deal» and which corresponds to a large part of this online conversation
3) nobody intended to have a whole country fall off a cliff with a «no deal» in a potentially desperate situation which would leave the common man and his family vulnerable

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Amazed nobody has mentioned Tony Blair's 2004 Civil Contingencies law, if all else fails then Boris can rely on Tony's foresight

Yet again...Wrong!

The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 is not an Enabling Act for Brexiters
https://davidallengreen.com/2019/09/...for-brexiters/

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	More people voted at the referendum than at any previous vote in the UK, turnout was higher than normal.

And again...Wrong!!!

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	More people voted in the 1992 general election. It also had a higher turnout rate, as did other elections in the 20th century.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-refer...atic-exercise/

FMF, you really need to update your reference points for this whole debarcle. You've resorted to regurgitating BXP lines and it's not doing you any favours on an intellectual, moral or credibility level.

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	Trump will be out before you can say 'Deal' thank goodness.

But there is no one to replace him.......Bernie Sanders ? Joe Biden ? Elizabeth Warren, they don't stand a chance !

[Sky]

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	But there is no one to replace him.......Bernie Sanders ? Joe Biden ? Elizabeth Warren, they don't stand a chance !

I’d vote for all three.
Not sure they stand a chance as you say because unemployment is at an all time low and that is what matters to people.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Were this the case surely the opinion polls would have shifted significantly with voters being unhappy they’d been deceived, whereas the fact of the matter is they’ve barely moved the entire time since the vote in 2016.

Wrong! Fill your boots!

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...he-referendum/

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Sky
	I’d vote for all three. Not sure they stand a chance as you say because unemployment is at an all time low and that is what matters to people.

all 3 are over 70 and so is Trump. Such people shouldn't run for president. Their time is over.

[Blueangel]

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	But there is no one to replace him.......Bernie Sanders ? Joe Biden ? Elizabeth Warren, they don't stand a chance !

Peter Griffin?

[TonyClifton]

Those results Blueangle are not noteworthy when you factor in margin of error. The polls have not shifted at all significantly the last three years.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Those results Blueangle are not noteworthy when you factor in margin of error. The polls have not shifted at all significantly the last three years.

"Those polls" are a collection of polls from a number of companies. Which particular polls are you referring to pray tell ClonyTifton?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Peter Griffin?

Stewie is more machiavellian.


I'm loving the new moniker, Blueangle

[Blueangel]

Stewie can be for the next generation when we've all popped our clogs Rufbus.

[John William]

You know it’s remarkable after three years how many Brexiteers still can’t
accept the fact that Brexit has made the UK the laughing stock of the world,
it's government divided and still without a viable plan for leaving the EU and
as for Westminster regaining control, I'd shudder at the thought of them
controlling a Parish Council let alone the United Kingdom.

[Blueangel]

I wouldn't even go that far John. For me, it really came to a head with the Supreme Court judgement. The boiling outrage from Brexiters hammered home to me that they really didn't understand the system that they were claiming to want to 'take back control' of.

Every single person who claimed that the Supreme Court was "thwarting Brexit", was either deliberately seeking to mislead, or honestly didn't have a clue how British democracy works and has worked for centuries.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	John William
	You know it’s remarkable after three years how many Brexiteers still can’t accept the fact that Brexit has made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's government divided and still without a viable plan for leaving the EU and as for Westminster regaining control, I'd shudder at the thought of them controlling a Parish Council let alone the United Kingdom.

Brexit didn't do that. The full sitting political class made itself the laughing stock of the world. They've managed to create a situation where both leavers and remainers have lost.

[John William]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Brexit didn't do that. The full sitting political class made itself the laughing stock of the world. They've managed to create a situation where both leavers and remainers have lost.

Of course appointing the buffoon Boris as PM delivered the coup de grace to Brexit in my opinion what
with all the scandals and his past questionable dealings, on top of his current behavior coming out.

So QED better to revoke Article 50 and the UK to remain in the EU !!