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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Is that the law practice where they have clients on death row for shoplifting?

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I admire your confidence, however it's not shared by a partner in a top London Law practice.

Lets wait & see only a few weeks of this nonsense left
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Up North, has done for years now
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Keir Starmer says it as it is :

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To answer your points Sky:
2) (...) I still want a deal, but am willing to accept no deal if a good deal is not achievable. (...)
3) The "Falling off a Cliff" scenario has been overstated in my opinion. There will certainly be level of disruption in the event of no deal, but nothing like what has been predicted by the Remain side of the argument. (...)
I certainly hope that you are right (though I seriously doubt you are).
The poorer parts of the country such as the North and the Midlands are already struggling. (Have you been lately?) How will they handle the «certain level of disruption» while waiting for new-leased prosperity?

Please forgive me for saying this, but I really feel upset when reading armchair brexiteers who will not be living the immediate consequences of a no deal.

There are already signs in pharmacies indicating shortages and Brexit hasn’t even happened yet!! What will happen to those relying on food banks? Or whose children only get a square meal when they go to school.
These are not just articles in your newsfeed, these are real people.
How will they handle a surge in food prices?
What will happen if meds such as insulin runs short?

Could you please answer concrete questions?
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The poorer parts of the country such as the North and the Midlands are already struggling. (Have you been lately?) How will they handle the «certain level of disruption» while waiting for new-leased prosperity?
BREXITEERS don’t like to have to explain themselves, they prefer just to say they don’t think it can possibly be as bad as what people are saying and leave it at that.

I can’t see any reason for countries to be in any hurry to sign trade deals with the U.K. after BREXIT. According to the Boris plan the U.K. will not impose tariffs on imports for at least 12 months. That is ideal for the EU, USA etc. no tariffs on their exports to the U.K. while all imports from the U.K. would be subject to tariffs... The best strategy would be to do nothing and force Boris to keep extending the zero tariffs period. Of course it would wipe out British industry, even their own economies expert acknowledge this, but at least they’ll have their no deal BREXIT.
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I certainly hope that you are right (though I seriously doubt you are).
The poorer parts of the country such as the North and the Midlands are already struggling. (Have you been lately?) How will they handle the «certain level of disruption» while waiting for new-leased prosperity?

Please forgive me for saying this, but I really feel upset when reading armchair brexiteers who will not be living the immediate consequences of a no deal.

There are already signs in pharmacies indicating shortages and Brexit hasn’t even happened yet!! What will happen to those relying on food banks? Or whose children only get a square meal when they go to school.
These are not just articles in your newsfeed, these are real people.
How will they handle a surge in food prices?
What will happen if meds such as insulin runs short?

Could you please answer concrete questions?
Places such as the North and the Midlands voted for Brexit, and then they voted in the most part for a government that stated on numerous occasions that no deal is better than a bad deal. Which is worse, being an “armchair brexiteer who will not be living with the immediate consequences of no deal”, or being an armchair remainer who implies they don’t believe people understood what they were voting for (twice), and who also doesn’t have to live with the consequences of the UK signing up to a bad withdrawal deal? The bottom line is that we’re both entitled to our opinions whether we will be affected or not.

I have been to both the North and the Midlands within the past year, and the messages I heard when I’ve been there is that people want Brexit now just as much as they did in 2016. Deal or no deal, people are fed up and just want it done. And it’s really not my job to do so to answer your questions regarding food and medical shortages. The information is all readily available on the UK government websites as to what preparations have been done to ensure medicines and food doesn’t run out. These include stockpiling and investment in express freight services. You either believe that the government is sufficiently prepared, or you don’t. And if they are not sufficiently prepared, then that is not the fault of the brexiteers, armchair or otherwise, but purely the fault of the UK government as they have had over three years to prepare for this eventuality.
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Places such as the North and the Midlands voted for Brexit, and then they voted in the most part for a government that stated on numerous occasions that no deal is better than a bad deal.
Really? 42% voted Tory and another 2% UKIP. So only a minority voted as you suggest. 54% voted for parties that were clearly against a hard Brexit.

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And if they are not sufficiently prepared, then that is not the fault of the brexiteers, armchair or otherwise, but purely the fault of the UK government as they have had over three years to prepare for this eventuality.
The UK government is made up of Brexiteers. So yes, it IS their fault.

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Really? 42% voted Tory and another 2% UKIP. So only a minority voted as you suggest. 54% voted for parties that were clearly against a hard Brexit.


The UK government is made up of Brexiteers. So yes, it IS their fault.
I dont understand this. All the voting graphs from the referendum point to voting for leave in the north and midlands ? look at the north east for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...h_East_England) its all Leave.

Also the MP's are not all Brexit supporters, they are mainly Remain supporters thats what has caused all these problems so far.
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Old 09.10.2019, 09:51
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It would be a very big mistake to assume that food produced in the UK is processed and packed for retail in the UK, it is not. Ni milk is send south to Ireland for processing before being shipped to the UK, you've got Irish cheese being shipped to the UK for packaging and UK cheese being shipped to Wexford in Ireland for packing and they are just the ones I know of.
I've been told multiple times by different people from farmers to food factory owners how this is going to be a disaster, no question about that.
I was trying to make the point that these fish that some people want the british public to eat have been exported for years due to no demand in the UK.

An obvious example of a UK/NI/Ireland product that will be missed by the fine gastronomists amongst us is the streaky bacon that goes in your Whopper/McBurger. That bacon is marked in Burger King across europe as being a product of the UK/Ireland, the reason being the pigs cross the borders mutliple times becoming smaller and more baconised each time.
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I dont understand this. All the voting graphs from the referendum point to voting for leave in the north and midlands ? look at the north east for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...h_East_England) its all Leave.
I think you misunderstand the original question that I answered. The Brexit party representative claimed that the UK voted for "no deal is better than a bad deal" parties in the 2017 GE. I simply demonstrated that they didn't.

The referendum vote is a separate matter.

Given the nature of the UK's political system as a representative, you can easily argue that the 2017 GE result superceeds the referendum.
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I've been told multiple times by different people from farmers to food factory owners how this is going to be a disaster, no question about that.
Absolutely right!

I worked in industrial food production for 15yrs on an 11 acre site with 835 staff. If there was bad weather in the North Sea, we had to pare down production in some areas because the ferry delays coming into Hull affected our supply of packaging materials from the Netherlands. On many occasions, we'd be stalking the car park waiting for the hackney cab to arrive from Hull laden with the flatpack boxes for our goods. The goods had a 3 day 'sell by' and 5 day 'use by' and couldn't be stockpiled without packaging, and were only ever frozen for international orders.
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I think you misunderstand the original question that I answered. The Brexit party representative claimed that the UK voted for "no deal is better than a bad deal" parties in the 2017 GE. I simply demonstrated that they didn't.

The referendum vote is a separate matter.

Given the nature of the UK's political system as a representative, you can easily argue that the 2017 GE result superceeds the referendum.
ok I see, sorry. The UK is going to hell in a handcart anyway unless something dramatically good happens in the next three weeks.
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Really? 42% voted Tory and another 2% UKIP. So only a minority voted as you suggest. 54% voted for parties that were clearly against a hard Brexit.

Imagine you are a traditional Labour voter but you also voted for Brexit. Should you have voted Tory for only 1 topic?
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Imagine you are a traditional Labour voter but you also voted for Brexit. Should you have voted Tory for only 1 topic?
The question was hard Brexit, not any Brexit.
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ok I see, sorry. The UK is going to hell in a handcart anyway unless something dramatically good happens in the next three weeks.
Well now you’ve seen what has been going on in the HOC in the past several weeks, would you seriously want to rely on those crowd to agree on an approach and tackle a crisis? On the one side there is Leave who are so invested in the issue that there is zero chance of them ever accepting that there is a problem and on the other side the is Remain who agree BREXIT needs to be stopped but have run down the clock arguing over who should be king of the castle. I’d expect this gang to make any situation worse.
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I'm from the Midlands and yes it is full of brexiteers. Though they did not understand the consequences of what Brexit would actually mean. They like the rest of the population were taken on a ride by Johnson and Farage, and with the help of right wing elements it's turned into all out racism. Arguments in the street when someone speaks with a foreign accent it's not getting any better.
Point 1.A few weeks ago I took my lady into a cafe in Yorkshire, it was quite full so I told her to find a seat while I got the drinks, when I sat down she was in a conversation with a old lady, the lady said you'll be alright after Brexit your not black or Asian.
Point 2. I took her to the Black Country Museum. We went for a coffee, I needed the amenities so asked my lady to get the drinks. I came back no drinks, they've run out off coffee she said, though at the time two other ladies were ordering coffee. Then a miracle happened two coffees appeared.
My Lady is American so it was her accent they were against. Brexit was, (is) totally misunderstood by the masses.
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Imagine you are a traditional Labour voter but you also voted for Brexit. Should you have voted Tory for only 1 topic?
We've debated this ad infinitum over the years, and I'm sticking by everything I heard when I was up north for several months during that time. Many, many traditional Labour voters, after several years of austerity, saw their leave vote as sticking two fingers up to Cameron because he was resolutely remain.

Cameron and Blair are divisive figures, and many people will instinctively vote the opposite of whatever those two stand by.
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Point 2. I took her to the Black Country Museum. We went for a coffee, I needed the amenities so asked my lady to get the drinks. I came back no drinks, they've run out off coffee she said, though at the time two other ladies were ordering coffee. Then a miracle happened two coffees appeared.
Wow!
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Wow!
Wow indeed, I could give multiple examples that I've seen happening.
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Wow indeed, I could give multiple examples that I've seen happening.
A Dutch friend, who lives in England for more than a decade now, also told me about these things - and worse - happening.

I was very pleased when I heard about the results of the Brexit vote. Until I found out, it was for all the wrong reasons.
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