The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	Raffles
	Point 1.A few weeks ago I took my lady into a cafe in Yorkshire, it was quite full so I told her to find a seat while I got the drinks, when I sat down she was in a conversation with a old lady, the lady said you'll be alright after Brexit your not black or Asian. Point 2. I took her to the Black Country Museum. We went for a coffee, I needed the amenities so asked my lady to get the drinks. I came back no drinks, they've run out off coffee she said, though at the time two other ladies were ordering coffee. Then a miracle happened two coffees appeared. My Lady is American so it was her accent they were against. Brexit was, (is) totally misunderstood by the masses.

Without wishîng to deflect from the severity or unnaceptability of what you describe, to me this is just ars@holery. And ars@holery exists on every side of every conflict. I have also hear of stories that go the other way, with remainers treating people they assumed to be leavers like absolute shit. There are ars@holes of every political shade and conviction.

	Quote:	amogles
	Without wishîng to deflect from the severity or unnaceptability of what you describe, to me this is just ars@holery. And ars@holery exists on every side of every conflict. I have also hear of stories that go the other way, with remainers treating people they assumed to be leavers like absolute shit. There are ars@holes of every political shade and conviction.

It is something that seems to have significantly increased over the last 3-4 years.

I have never heard of the reverse that you claim though. After all, how do you recognise a Brexiter by appearance or accent? Which is what is happening to the 2 cases quoted.

Throwing salted caramel milkshakes at Farage doesn't count.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Raffles
	Wow indeed, I could give multiple examples that I've seen happening.

Sadly, so can I. I've seen first hand how my partner was treated when we began living together in the UK in 2011, and compare it to how he's been treated since the referendum, to the point that he never wants to live in the UK again. He knows which battles to fight. I'm the one more likely to lose my rag, and he's had to stop me a few times. His brother frequently pulls people up with "You do realise I'm Greek, don't you?" only to be told, "But you're more like one of us than one of them".

It's all very sad.

[amogles]

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	I have never heard of the reverse that you claim though. After all, how do you recognise a Brexiter by appearance or accent?

by a sticker on their car?
by snippets of conversation you may overhear?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	by a sticker on their car?

The only stickers I see on cars are parking permits and National Trust. Are they clues?

[MusicChick]

He was being ironic.

I wouldn't certainly go as far as assuming all brexiters are.... (fill in whatever cliche you like).

If you want to know what people think, let them talk. That should be valid for both sides of the political spectrum.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	He was being ironic.

And I wasn't?

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	amogles
	by a sticker on their car? by snippets of conversation you may overhear?

I want a sticker but haven't seen one that's absurd enough. And, need a car for the sticker, too.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And I wasn't?

Sure.

I am thinking about the car than the sticker now, tbh. Shame on me.

Back to Brexit. Or lack there of.

[Raffles]

	Quote:	amogles
	There are ars@holes of every political shade and conviction.

That I completely agree with.

[Urs Max]

Brexit in a nutshell
.
UK: we want a unicorn
EU: there are no unicorns. You can have a pony instead
UK: we vote against your pony
EU: we've discussed this at lenght: you can have a pony or nothing
UK: we vote against your pony
EU: what a pity! you get nothing
UK: we vote against your nothing
EU: you really don't get it, do you?
UK: we need more time to deliberate
EU: about "the pony or nothing"?
UK: we want a unicorn

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	amogles
	Without wishîng to deflect from the severity or unnaceptability of what you describe, to me this is just ars@holery. And ars@holery exists on every side of every conflict. I have also hear of stories that go the other way, with remainers treating people they assumed to be leavers like absolute shit. There are ars@holes of every political shade and conviction.

True, but in recent times they seem to think they have been given permission to board cast and act on those opinions.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Brexit in a nutshell . UK: we want a unicorn EU: there are no unicorns. You can have a pony instead UK: we vote against your pony EU: we've discussed this at lenght: you can have a pony or nothing UK: we vote against your pony EU: what a pity! you get nothing UK: we vote against your nothing EU: you really don't get it, do you? UK: we need more time to deliberate EU: about "the pony or nothing"? UK: we want a unicorn

Sounds like it's all turning into salami.....slice by slice

Heartening at last to see that 50 (+ the 21) are noy saying they will not support No Deal:


''Tory MPs react with fury to talk of no-deal Brexit manifesto promise

More than 50 MPs could refuse to stand at election if no-deal pledge is in manifesto'' from the Guardian today.

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	More than 50 MPs could refuse to stand at election if no-deal pledge is in manifesto'' from the Guardian today.

Pray, tell me, if indeed this is the case, exactly which trough do they presume to stick their snout's in after the election ?

[Urs Max]

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	Sounds like it's all turning into salami.....slice by slice

Salami with a rainbow on top. Sounds interesting!

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	Pray, tell me, if indeed this is the case, exactly which trough do they presume to stick their snout's in after the election ?

That is indeed another question. Furthermore, some Conservatives think the 50 is an under-estimate:

''Green and the other One Nation MPs demanded the meeting after a furious backlash among Conservative backbenchers against a briefing from an unnamed No 10 source which suggested the Tories would have to pivot to a no-deal position to outflank Farage.

“To marginalise the Brexit party, we will have to fight the election on the basis of ‘no more delays, get Brexit done immediately’.”

Johnson told the MPs to “listen to me, not the briefings”, which is the same line he used to Nicky Morgan, the culture secretary, when she raised the issue of the anonymous source messages in cabinet on Tuesday. The briefing in question is widely believed to have come from Johnson’s senior adviser, Dominic Cummings, who is driving his Brexit policy.

Johnson’s chief whip, Mark Spencer, and his parliamentary private secretary, James Heappey, have received a series of complaints in the past 24 hours from backbench MPs who say they cannot stand on a no-deal platform, after a Downing Street memo was sent out.

Expectations that up to 50 Tories would choose not stand for their party at the next election in protest, could be an under-estimation, according to one source. They said the group of 80 One Nation Tories were all extremely worried about the government’s potential direction.

One backbencher said: “It’s pretty much the only conversation taking place on the backbenches at the moment and it’s going down very poorly.
“The whole One Nation group would struggle with it. I do not see that there’s a democratic mandate based on a 52-48 referendum result for a no-deal Brexit,,.

[curley]

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	...... More than 50 MPs could refuse to stand at election if no-deal pledge is in manifesto'' from the Guardian today.

Funny.
Why wouldn't bother me that in the least if I were British?

Who wants to reelect people who are neither capable of convincing the others of their stand nor of finding compromises?

Indeed- but would put Boris in a very difficult position, no?

50 + 21 is quite a lot ...

[curley]

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	Indeed- but would put Boris in a very difficult position, no? 50 + 21 is quite a lot ...

And that will be new to him (or any GB pm) how?