The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Maybe in 10yrs time there will be another. Maybe in 20yrs time... Who knows! It's always an option as society evolves.

It was a once in a lifetime vote last time
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...endum-35319146

The same people who don't understand what once in a lifetime meant, believe that people lower educated people than themselves did not understand what leave meant. You can't make this shit up. We are talking about the highly educated here

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It was a once in a lifetime vote last time https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...endum-35319146 The same people who don't understand what once in a lifetime meant, believe that people lower educated people than themselves did not understand what leave meant. You can't make this shit up. We are talking about the highly educated here

I don't think some of the "shit" is made up...

https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/...estion-time%2F

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	Woman: "I absolutely knew what I voted for!" Theo: "so what's going to happen after we Brexit?" Woman: "nobody knows what is going to happen!"

I guess there will be an element of Brexit squealers denouncing it as a BBC set-up/plant but, hey, you'd need to be paid a LOT of money and be very brave to appear that naturally stupid on national telly.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	I don't think some of the "shit" is made up... https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/...estion-time%2F I guess there will be an element of Brexit squealers denouncing it as a BBC set-up/plant but, hey, you'd need to be paid a LOT of money and be very brave to appear that naturally stupid on national telly.

She clearly did not want the alternative of staying, simple as that.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The same people who don't understand what once in a lifetime meant, believe that people lower educated people than themselves did not understand what leave meant. You can't make this shit up. We are talking about the highly educated here

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	She clearly did not want the alternative of staying, simple as that.

So that suggests it didn't require a lot of thought on her part.

She didn't want to be part of the EU but didn't give a flying fig what would happen to the UK thereafter.

As you say; simple as that...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The same people who don't understand what once in a lifetime meant, believe that people lower educated people than themselves did not understand what leave meant. You can't make this shit up. We are talking about the highly educated here

Why are you bringing education into this? I didn't go to uni but I don't wear it like a huge bloody chip on my shoulder, unlike some.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Why are you bringing education into this? I didn't go to uni but I don't wear it like a huge bloody chip on my shoulder, unlike some.

You brought education into this thread over 2 years ago You had a pretty big chip on your shoulder at the Time

	Quote:	Blueangel
	My beef with May raising the grammar school question is that the UK had just made a monumental decision, so I saw it as a distraction from far more serious matters. I don't vote Labour, so have no idea what the rest of your little rant is about, plus my grandfather was head of a Grammar school maths department and a lifelong, very active, paid up member of the socialist party. Ha! Edit: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-10206818.html

[curley]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It was a once in a lifetime vote last time https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...endum-35319146 The same people who don't understand what once in a lifetime meant, believe that people lower educated people than themselves did not understand what leave meant. You can't make this shit up. We are talking about the highly educated here

After this mess - and it's not even "after" yet - a referendum will never, ever, not in 1000 years, take place in Great Britain again.

Then again, that would be an educated decision so who knows, we might see an other one or two in our life-time.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You brought education into this thread over 2 years ago You had a pretty big chip on your shoulder at the Time

In or out of context, your post makes no sense.

[Blueangel]

Just been sent to me by friends in Spain...

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	Dominic Raab has penned a letter to UK nationals in Spain in which he tells them how they should be preparing for Brexit as the UK government gets ready to deliver the "will of the British people" on October 31. His letter reads like a set of demands for Brits in Spain - "you'll need", "you must", "you should" - in return for only vague promises about UK nationals' rights in their host country post-2020. Although Raab assures his target audience that in the event of a no-deal Brexit they will continue to have access to healthcare in Spain "exactly as you do now, until at least 31 December 2020 if you are an S1 form holder", there is no mention of the worry and anxiety that's been caused to them over the past three years, or what is likely to happen to their healthcare after that date.

https://www.thelocal.es/20191011/uk-...aab-healthcare

[bowlie]

Do you think that M. Rabb has a clue?

Tell me: Why should Spanish taxpayers agree to fund British nationals health costs?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	In or out of context, your post makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense.
It's a shame you can't see the massive chip you have on your shoulder re education. You even had to bring your grandfather into your argument at the time who was head of a Grammar school

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It makes perfect sense. It's a shame you can't see the massive chip you have on your shoulder re education. You even had to bring your grandfather into your argument at the time who was head of a Grammar school

Sorry but there's only one poster on this thread that has consistently demonstrated a massive shoulder chip about education. And it ain't Blueangel.

[curley]

I wonder if the other European countries are better prepared for a case of Brexit on October 31st? They might have all the if - then scenarios lined up and in their drawer.

AfaIk Switzerland (yes, not a EU country) has sorted out the basics long ago.

If the Brits all over Europe start panicking it will get messy. And quiet obviously it will not be their own governement who will callm them down.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	They still pay your Swiss health insurance with a 300 franchise, that must be worth another 5k a year.

No they do not?

[bowlie]

I suspect the other Member States are simply waiting for the EU to give them guidance. A lot will depend on reciprocity but very few will want this exit to appear to be easy.

I suspect that little things (like adding 20 seconds* to stamp passports in and out of Schengen) will get much of initial press.


*20 seconds per passenger works out to 63 minutes for a full easyjet flight. Saturday morning during ski season is going to be chaos if you add an hour of passport control to each incoming and outgoing flight.

But it will be what it will be. Just avoid the airports.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	bowlie
	*20 seconds per passenger works out to 63 minutes for a full easyjet flight. Saturday morning during ski season is going to be chaos if you add an hour of passport control to each incoming and outgoing flight. But it will be what it will be. Just avoid the airports.

Just for fun, count how many non-Schengen flights arrive every day. So far, it didn't cause any passport control issues.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Just for fun, count how many non-Schengen flights arrive every day. So far, it didn't cause any passport control issues.

Ever gone from Schengen to non-Schengen in Frankfurt or Amsterdam?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I suspect the other Member States are simply waiting for the EU to give them guidance. A lot will depend on reciprocity but very few will want this exit to appear to be easy. I suspect that little things (like adding 20 seconds* to stamp passports in and out of Schengen) will get much of initial press. *20 seconds per passenger works out to 63 minutes for a full easyjet flight. Saturday morning during ski season is going to be chaos if you add an hour of passport control to each incoming and outgoing flight. But it will be what it will be. Just avoid the airports.

Right, so every the come to a U.K. person in rhe queue they are going to hang around for an extra 20 seconds... just plain nonsense....

You’ll be treated the same as every other third country nationals and that is inconvenient enough. If you arrive during peak time it will take longer, if you are behind someone who they decide to check up on it will take longer, if you are young or look like you’re poor it will take longer, if you look like you might work it will take longer... if you are middle aged and look well healed it should be quicker.

[Blueangel]

For anyone who missed this video on social media this week, this is the latest government advice for British nationals travelling in the EU for work.

https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/st...48315895771138

[bowlie]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Just for fun, count how many non-Schengen flights arrive every day. So far, it didn't cause any passport control issues.

The Schengen agreement requires passports be stamped as passengers enter or exit Schengen. Excepted are passports issued by the 28 EU member states, plus CH and a few others, so UK passport holders are not now required to have them stamped.

When the UK leaves this exemption will end for them. British passports will need to be stamped both in and out of Schengen.

Sat/Sun during ski season transiting Swiss airports is going to be a dog’s dinner.