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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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This has happened to me, here in switzerland. Its a small proportion of the population.

Looking for some studies, I think Xenophobic attacks / racism has increased over the last 3 years, but overall racism I think is down over like a 20 year period. certainly nothing like the 80's...
Hmmm, never happened to me in Switzerland. Tbh reading EF you'd think some of us are experiencing this kind of shit on a daily basis but nope, never ever happened to me/us to be denied any kind of service or to be treated disrespectfully. One time I heard an unnecessary comment from an auto dealer, but it was meant to be a compliment.

I've encountered more grumpiness/impoliteness from "entrepreneurs" back home, though things have improved a lot lately. It seems they (most) finally got it: if you want customers you have to improve your services. I'm always a bit reluctant to ask people who visited my country if they liked it because I know we're simply not a customer oriented/commerce culture. It has nothing to do with racism (well, in the vast majority of cases anyways), it is what it is. Hope it will change for the better sooner than later, meantime I can't really criticise other countries.

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I feel it highly unlikely anybody would check for a bit of translating work, as i said, nothing stopping you doing it in France while you're having a coffee or whatever
of course, but exchanges are so much more interesting- a whole new way of life.
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Old 15.10.2019, 17:42
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Thousands of tonnes of fruit and vegetables are being left to rot in UK fields because of a shortage of pickers and packers in the face of continuing Brexit uncertainty.

Overseas workers, who account for the vast majority of the horticultural labour force, have been unwilling to come to the UK or have returned home early because of fears about their status in the event of a chaotic exit from the EU.

With farmers reporting a shortage of workers of 30% or more last month, some of those with autumn-harvesting crops including berries, apples and beans have been forced to leave their produce in fields and orchards.
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Hurrah for Brexit.
Where are the "jobs for Brits" advocates that were bemoaning the fact that all the jobs were being taken up by johnny foreigner not so long ago?
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Old 15.10.2019, 18:03
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Where are the "jobs for Brits" advocates that were bemoaning the fact that all the jobs were being taken up by johnny foreigner not so long ago?
Well they're not out in the fields picking beans anyway.

They're instead spending their time shouting and waving placards at the French guy with the Italian suit trying to get to work in London. Well the more energetic ones might be, the rest are on the dole saying how there's no work around that is easy, well paid and requires no gumption.
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Luckily for you, the people in charge seem to be of the same "let's wing it" kind of whimsy.

Who needs facts, stats and experts anyway?

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of course, but exchanges are so much more interesting- a whole new way of life.
Wow I never imagined you were into Swinging
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Hurrah for Brexit.
It shouldn't be a problem if the British authorities would issue more work permits for people from Commonwealth countries. I wonder who and why doesn't want this. Brexit or not, it should have been expected that this influx of EE cheap workers will stop one day simply because people will have more options.

As far as I know this kind of temporary work is done with the sole purpose of saving some money that have a better value back home. No-one wants to make a career out of this back breaking work, unless they're farmers back home in which case I wonder why for them aren't enough EU funds? Oh well.
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It shouldn't be a problem if the British authorities would issue more work permits for people from Commonwealth countries. I wonder who and why doesn't want this. Brexit or not, it should have been expected that this influx of EE cheap workers will stop one day simply because people will have more options.

Every year the UK issues far more permits for people from Commonwealth countries than enter the UK from EU countries?
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Old 15.10.2019, 18:54
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It shouldn't be a problem if the British authorities would issue more work permits for people from Commonwealth countries. I wonder who and why doesn't want this. Brexit or not, it should have been expected that this influx of EE cheap workers will stop one day simply because people will have more options.

As far as I know this kind of temporary work is done with the sole purpose of saving some money that have a better value back home. No-one wants to make a career out of this back breaking work, unless they're farmers back home in which case I wonder why for them aren't enough EU funds? Oh well.
The idea of issuing more work permits is politically sensitive, a lot of people like the idea of limiting migration and I can only see the government with two choices. Stand up and say that they need foreign workers for economic reasons, or provide additional subsidies to farmers so they can afford to hire workers at a higher wage.
I think the other side of this is that anti immigration crowds have shouted louder than the farmers. It’s time the farmers made their voice heard by the politicians.
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Perhaps the entire food distribution chain needs to understand the value and wisdom of everyone earning a living wage.

If the execs would take lower bonuses and consumers pay higher prices then food wouldn’t be rotting in the fields, as people would be willing to pick, at a living wage.
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Perhaps the entire food distribution chain needs to understand the value and wisdom of everyone earning a living wage.

If the execs would take lower bonuses and consumers pay higher prices then food wouldn’t be rotting in the fields, as people would be willing to pick, at a living wage.
If the UK, after Brexit, really plans to import foodstuffs tariff-free then this becomes academic; UK farmers will be a thing of the past.
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Wow I never imagined you were into Swinging
As I wrote, I did wonder who would crack that one - I should have guessed.

No, you haven't quite got the same 'exchange idea' concept. I teach in exchange for help with garden, decorating, holiday accom, pet sitting, etc, etc. Brilliant. You need the right mind-set though across EU borders and beyond.
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After Johnson's Brexit, Britain will need a tourniquet.
He doesn't seem to understand that respect, is a two way street not a cul de sac.
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So the latest news is that there will be a customs border in the Irish Sea.

But why is BoJo saying that de jure NI will be in the UK customs zone but de facto it will part of EU customs zone?

I wouldn't trust that weasle for even one millimeter. Certainly it's what he's been aiming for all the time, so leaving the EU little time to discuss and dissect the proposition may leave loopholes undetected.
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As I wrote, I did wonder who would crack that one - I should have guessed.

No, you haven't quite got the same 'exchange idea' concept. I teach in exchange for help with garden, decorating, holiday accom, pet sitting, etc, etc. Brilliant. You need the right mind-set though across EU borders and beyond.



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After Johnson's Brexit, Britain will need a tourniquet.
He doesn't seem to understand that respect, is a two way street not a cul de sac.
Nah. The UK is like the Monty Python's Black Knight.
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"All right, we'll call it a draw."
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Nah. The UK is like the Monty Python's Black Knight.
I fear you are confusing tourniquet with tourney?
Nevertheless, Monty Python is apt!
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