The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If he gets a deal by the end of the month he will go down in history as a hero.

Getting a deal isn't the problem. Passing it through parliament is

	Quote:	porsch1909
	Getting a deal isn't the problem. Passing it through parliament is

Exactly. Boris "May" find it rather difficult to convince his fellow MPs that he's a very stable genius with great and unmatched wisdom.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Whereas imposing ID requirements favours Conservative voters.

I'm fuming about that too. So many forces trying to remove our rights from us.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	Getting a deal isn't the problem. Passing it through parliament is

Then we crash out, on 31st which was his plan all along Perhaps he is a genius after all.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Then we crash out, on 31st which was his plan all along Perhaps he is a genius after all.

Would probably have worked, too, if he wasn't now faced with having to ask for an extension if his deal doesn't work.

[bigblue2]

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	Would probably have worked, too, if he wasn't now faced with having to ask for an extension if his deal doesn't work.

which the EU has already said they won't give unless something major changes, so yep, its already worked

[k_and_e]

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	Would probably have worked, too, if he wasn't now faced with having to ask for an extension if his deal doesn't work.

Why not extend to 1st April?



They could do the announcement and if reactions are bad, they could save their face by announcing that it was an April Fools Day joke.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Why not extend to 1st April?

What year?

[Blueangel]

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	Would probably have worked, too, if he wasn't now faced with having to ask for an extension if his deal doesn't work.

I think a 12mth extension would be best but would be surprised if it happened, because the UK now have a history of running the clock down instead of cracking on with the job immediately. Then we could avert the threat of a postal strike disrupting postal voting, and really get our ducks in a row.

	Quote:	bowlie
	Whereas imposing ID requirements favours Conservative voters.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm fuming about that too. So many forces trying to remove our rights from us.

Why does it? Genuine qu btw.

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	Why does it? Genuine qu btw.

If you are poor (and therefore traditionally less likely to be a Conservative voter, rather than say Labour) then there is a higher chance you won't have photo ID, as you don't go abroad (Passport) or own a car (Driver's Licence).

[amogles]

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	If you are poor (and therefore traditionally less likely to be a Conservative voter, rather than say Labour) then there is a higher chance you won't have photo ID, as you don't go abroad (Passport) or own a car (Driver's Licence).

AFAIK, the UK is the only EU country that doesn't have an ID requirement.

Remainers keep saying the UK should become more like the rest of the EU.

Except when it doesn't suit them.

[amogles]

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	If you are poor (and therefore traditionally less likely to be a Conservative voter, rather than say Labour) then there is a higher chance you won't have photo ID, as you don't go abroad (Passport) or own a car (Driver's Licence).

What about Brexit party voters. Also maybe typically poorer and less likely to travel. Shouldn't remainers be popping the champaigne corks that this demographic can't vote?

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	If you are poor (and therefore traditionally less likely to be a Conservative voter, rather than say Labour) then there is a higher chance you won't have photo ID, as you don't go abroad (Passport) or own a car (Driver's Licence).

Young voters will have an old school bus pass (B line) ID... there are all sorts of option. Utility bill. Phone bill. Don't see why it would need to be photographic. I doubt it will happen anyway. Those folk who don't carry a wallet - only a phone and credit /debit card - would have to make a special trip. Would cut down the "do it on the way" voters.

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	Young voters will have an old school bus pass (B line) ID... there are all sorts of option. Utility bill. Phone bill. Don't see why it would need to be photographic. I doubt it will happen anyway. Those folk who don't carry a wallet - only a phone and credit /debit card - would have to make a special trip. Would cut down the "do it on the way" voters.

I think the point is that cynical exclusion of demographics who don't like you, whether by gerrymandering or dubious new checks, can only be viewed as pretty scummy behavior, especially given that the instances of voter fraud (and therefore what this purports to solve) are miniscule and the cost of such a scheme is pretty exhorbitant.

It's pretty clear the system without photo ID isn't broken, and this isn't an attempt to fix anything, except election results.

	Quote:	amogles
	AFAIK, the UK is the only EU country that doesn't have an ID requirement. Remainers keep saying the UK should become more like the rest of the EU. Except when it doesn't suit them.

But it takes a special kind of hard-headed thicko to be shouting about benefit fraud, NHS tourism and other apparent transgressions made by non-residents, to then squeal that ID cards cannot possibly happen in the UK because it's a bit too continental for their tastes. Even though it might help* to solve their problem.

Do people who voted Remain really want to become "more" like the EU or do they perhaps just want to "remain" as they were? Sounds like a bit of a stretch to conveniently assume.


*Note the use of the word "help" rather than "resoundingly resolve" - before anyone gets adorably pedantic about it.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	amogles
	AFAIK, the UK is the only EU country that doesn't have an ID requirement. Remainers keep saying the UK should become more like the rest of the EU. Except when it doesn't suit them.

This isn’t about having a mandatory national ID, this is about requiring all voters to present picture ID when they vote.

I think the UK tried to have a national ID and screwed it up royally.

[Ato]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I was thinking more of a really tiny coin, smaller than a 5p piece and called a 'spaff'.

Well I don't want someone to land a load of spaff in my hand just because they've been frustrated with carrying it around in their trousers all day.

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Whereas imposing ID requirements favours Conservative voters.

How does photo Id work with postal votes, you wave it in front of the envelope before you post it?

[Blueangel]

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	... as you don't go abroad (Passport) or own a car (Driver's Licence).

Also if your passport is away being renewed or has been sent with a visa application. And what if you no longer look like your photo ID in the eyes of some volunteer manning a polling station?

The fact that your polling card is posted to your home address should be enough. It's enough to pay large bills in Switzerland.

	Quote:	bowlie
	I think the UK tried to have a national ID and screwed it up royally.

Yup. I was on the team that got the frantic call from Alan Johnson's team when he took a press pack on the Eurostar to promote the national ID card scheme back in 2009-10. When he tried to return from Paris, his card wasn't accepted as ID, so they got a courier to fetch his passport from London and my colleague booked him a flight back the Heathrow.