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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union
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I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU
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I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK
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I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing
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I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us
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I don't really care
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17.10.2019, 13:02
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17.10.2019, 13:09
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| Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Definitely has an air of "cobbled together from frustration and lassitude".
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17.10.2019, 13:10
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| Quote: | | | | | On German news they said yesterday that what ever the outcome of the talks, it has to go back to GB parliament and be approved.
Is that so? | | | | | Yup.
The last few months have gone from being a numbers game (in the HoC) to a legal game. No it's both. There's the NI VAT issue (thank JR-M for that), border issue, single market, level playing field concerns, etc...all of which need to be gone over with a fine toothed legal comb whilst also trying to get the numbers to support it. Add to that, Conservative Party have already said they will remove the whip from any Conservative MP who votes the deal down, thus reducing their numbers even further.
This could go any way and attachment of final confirmatory vote might be the only way to get it through. We shall see. All bets are off for the moment.
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17.10.2019, 13:24
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| Quote: | | | | | Yup.
The last few months have gone from being a numbers game (in the HoC) to a legal game. No it's both. There's the NI VAT issue (thank JR-M for that), border issue, single market, level playing field concerns, etc...all of which need to be gone over with a fine toothed legal comb whilst also trying to get the numbers to support it. Add to that, Conservative Party have already said they will remove the whip from any Conservative MP who votes the deal down, thus reducing their numbers even further.
This could go any way and attachment of final confirmatory vote might be the only way to get it through. We shall see. All bets are off for the moment. | | | | | Okay, I'll stop by again next year  | | This user would like to thank curley for this useful post: | |
17.10.2019, 13:29
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17.10.2019, 13:34
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What's that word from a few years back? Omnishambles.
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17.10.2019, 14:53
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| Quote: | | | | | On German news they said yesterday that what ever the outcome of the talks, it has to go back to GB parliament and be approved.
Is that so?
Because reaching deals has not been the problem, getting them through at home is.  | | | | | Has to be approved by both UK and EU Parliaments.
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17.10.2019, 15:36
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NEW: Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg confirms gov is planning to move a *single* motion on Sat, presenting choice between this deal & #nodeal, & fulfilling simultaneously the requirements of *both* the #BennAct *and* s. 13 of the EU (Withdrawal) Act (i.e. the #meaningfulvote)
Sneaky
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| Quote: | | | | | NEW: Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg confirms gov is planning to move a *single* motion on Sat, presenting choice between this deal & #nodeal, & fulfilling simultaneously the requirements of *both* the #BennAct *and* s. 13 of the EU (Withdrawal) Act (i.e. the #meaningfulvote)
Sneaky | | | | | PM has made it clear we are leaving at the end of the month, amazed people have not believed him & expressing surprise.
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17.10.2019, 15:42
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| Quote: | | | | | PM has made it clear we are leaving at the end of the month, amazed people have not believed him & expressing surprise. | | | | | He also made it absolutely categorically and resolutely clear that there would be no sea border in the Irish Sea so, if you don't mind, I'll just park my big bucket of salt and skepticism right here. | | The following 5 users would like to thank for this useful post: | |
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| Quote: | | | | | Has to be approved by both UK and EU Parliaments. | | | | | Most importantly the Council Of Ministers have to approve it.
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| Quote: |  | | | He also made it absolutely categorically and resolutely clear that there would be no sea border in the Irish Sea so, if you don't mind, I'll just park my big bucket of salt and skepticism right here. | | | | |
Share my popcorn?
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17.10.2019, 16:02
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| Quote: | | | | | Most importantly the Council Of Ministers have to approve it. | | | | | For weeks you have been saying that no new deal was possible, amazing what the EU can do when they realise they might not get their 39 billion, still looks like they may not get anything at all | | This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post: | |
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Referring back to the 11 Department of International Trade videos tweeted by Leadsome (per post 23239 by Blueangel last week), it seems rather craven of our erstwhile leaders not to present the videos themselves.
It should be up to Leadsom, Raab, Johnson etc telling businesses owners personally that they 'may' have to follow a whole bunch new red tape, hire new agents, purchase new software, comply to new standards, etc, or stop trading in Europe. Not jobbing actors on zero-hours contracts.
Does anyone here have any contacts in the deepfake community?
I'm not joking.
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17.10.2019, 16:15
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| Quote: | | | | | For weeks you have been saying that no new deal was possible, amazing what the EU can do when they realise they might not get their 39 billion, still looks like they may not get anything at all | | | | | Looks to me like the EU haven't done anything or budged an inch, but Boris has surrendered and sold the Norn Irons up the river.
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17.10.2019, 16:29
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| Quote: | | | | Looks to me like the EU haven't done anything or budged an inch, but Boris has surrendered and sold the Norn Irons up the river. | | | | | Not at all, the preferred no deal option is clearly on the table |
17.10.2019, 16:33
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| Quote: | | | | | Not at all, the preferred no deal option is clearly on the table | | | | | It's adios NI either way now though. Quite a sacrifice.
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17.10.2019, 17:14
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| Quote: | | | | | NEW: Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg confirms gov is planning to move a *single* motion on Sat, presenting choice between this deal & #nodeal, & fulfilling simultaneously the requirements of *both* the #BennAct *and* s. 13 of the EU (Withdrawal) Act (i.e. the #meaningfulvote)
Sneaky | | | | | For reference: https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...14921672024065 | Quote: | | | | Jo Maugham
Again, this does not work.
The Benn Act is prescriptive as to the motions. If the PM puts this motion and then fails to send the Benn Act letter we *will* pursue contempt proceedings against him and the Advocate General for Scotland. | | | | | |
17.10.2019, 17:19
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| Quote: | | | | | | | | | | Oh Dear, those unelected judges ruining our democracy again.
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| Quote: | | | | It's adios NI either way now though. Quite a sacrifice. | | | | | Speaking of which, what's Boris's plan to appease the IRA* in the event of "no deal"? Set N Ireland adrift? Hand it back to Ireland and refuse entry to Great Britain for the unionists (although some, I assume, are good people) who live in the north?
*and the people of Ireland, and the USA, and anyone else involved in the GFA
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