The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Ato]

	Quote:	marton
	Think of it this way; Great Britain is an island. Ireland is another island.

At the rate some people think things are going, they'll soon be countries as well.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps voted for by people who wish to be rich, some people still have ambition

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	The self-made man is a myth in England. Despite their wonderful, imaginative stories, every single one of them started out with advantages denied the rest of us. Truth always outs. The country is shackled to a class system designed to keep the little people down. The current model of Brexit will only make things worse.

Pretty well correct DB. I guess FMF doesn't realise that the UK has one of the worst records for social mobility in Europe. Only Italy is worse, the rest are mostly much better.

[Fish Paste]

Get Brexit done!


One man's 'crashing out Brexit' is another man's 'clean break Brexit'.


Tomorrow will be interesting, last chance saloon for the elected to nails their Brexit flags to the mast before the next GE, which must surely come.

[fatmanfilms]

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	The self-made man is a myth in England. Despite their wonderful, imaginative stories, every single one of them started out with advantages denied the rest of us. Truth always outs. The country is shackled to a class system designed to keep the little people down. The current model of Brexit will only make things worse.

I remember reading the Sunday TImes rich list a couple of years ago & inherited wealth was substantially below 50%, under 30% IIRC.

It's nothing new Marks & Spencer, Marks borrowed £5 & set up Penny Bazaar on Kirkgate Market, in Leeds. When he acquired a permanent stall he invited Spencer to be his partner.
Marks was born into a Polish-Jewish family, a Polish refugee living in the Russian Empire, now in Belarus), and Thomas Spencer, a cashier from the English market. Perhaps the truth hurts?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I remember reading the Sunday TImes rich list a couple of years ago & inherited wealth was substantially below 50%, under 30% IIRC. It's nothing new Marks & Spencer, Marks borrowed £5 & set up Penny Bazaar on Kirkgate Market, in Leeds. When he acquired a permanent stall he invited Spencer to be his partner. Perhaps the truth hurts?

... not as much as a rusty guillotine blade, m'lud.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Amazing that people did not understand what a once in a lifetime vote meant.

There have been two votes in your lifetime, though.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I remember reading the Sunday TImes rich list a couple of years ago & inherited wealth was substantially below 50%, under 30% IIRC. It's nothing new Marks & Spencer, Marks borrowed £5 & set up Penny Bazaar on Kirkgate Market, in Leeds. When he acquired a permanent stall he invited Spencer to be his partner. Marks was born into a Polish-Jewish family, a Polish refugee living in the Russian Empire, now in Belarus), and Thomas Spencer, a cashier from the English market. Perhaps the truth hurts?

Not sure your M&S example is a great one here - they both died about 115 years ago, so any wealth they generated has been inherited many times over by now!

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I remember reading the Sunday TImes rich list a couple of years ago & inherited wealth was substantially below 50%, under 30% IIRC.

...but most of them still start off rich before becoming mega-rich later on.

Actually much of the current rich list aren't actually British, more likely to have moved there for tax or political reasons. Only 4 of the top 15 have fully British roots same number have Russian roots.

[fatmanfilms]

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	There have been two votes in your lifetime, though.

I was too young to vote in the first & not eligible to vote in the second, everyone eligible to vote under 60 has only had 1 chance to vote, if the next vote is similarly spaced, we will need to wait another 40 years, my life expectancy is under 25 years. Once in a lifetime seems about right. Must have been a very vey late night

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I remember reading the Sunday TImes rich list a couple of years ago & inherited wealth was substantially below 50%, under 30% IIRC.

I imagine the waters are pretty muddy on those lists. Maybe a lot don't admit to the inherited part and like to big up the apparent "roll yer sleeves up, self-made hard-knocks " efforts. Easy to play that card if the family money is in the background, quietly bolstering the offspring's business interests.

Most people like to be seen as a worker rather than a shirker, right? Look at JRM.

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	...but most of them still start off rich before becoming mega-rich later on. Actually much of the current rich list aren't actually British, more likely to have moved there for tax or political reasons. Only 4 of the top 15 have fully British roots same number have Russian roots.

I suspect the mega-rich for the most part wouldn't be seen dead on a Times Rich-List with all the forrins, darling. Presumably they are all living overseas with their family fortunes hidden, untaxed and undeclared.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I was too young to vote in the first & not eligible to vote in the second, everyone eligible to vote under 60 has only had 1 chance to vote, if the next vote is similarly spaced, we will need to wait another 40 years, my life expectancy is under 25 years. Once in a lifetime seems about right. Must have been a very vey late night

You can't redefine the meaning of "Brexit" and "Lifetime", that's just greedy.

[fatmanfilms]

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	...but most of them still start off rich before becoming mega-rich later on. Actually much of the current rich list aren't actually British, more likely to have moved there for tax or political reasons. Only 4 of the top 15 have fully British roots same number have Russian roots.

The Royal Family has foreign roots too, German & Greek.

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	I imagine the waters are pretty muddy on those lists. Maybe a lot don't admit to the inherited part and like to big up the apparent "roll yer sleeves up, self-made hard-knocks " efforts. Easy to play that card if the family money is in the background, quietly bolstering the offspring's business interests. Most people like to be seen as a worker rather than a shirker, right? Look at JRM.

This exactly. Probably more palatable to proclaim you are "self made" than acknowledge you had different choices and opportunities from the outset.

[fatmanfilms]

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	I suspect the mega-rich for the most part wouldn't be seen dead on a Times Rich-List with all the forrins, darling. Presumably they are all living overseas with their family fortunes hidden, untaxed and undeclared.

It's quite easy to avoid the list, the researchers are somewhat lazy. Had they looked at the Goldman Sachs IPO Offer more closely they would have noticed plenty of partners disappeared. I am sure there are many other examples.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Incorrect, Switzerland is in the Schengen Area, anyone holding a residence permit for Switzerland has no restrictions in the Schengen Area, if the did they could not lice in Switzerland.

You are of course, free to ask the British High Commission in Malta for clarification.

https://www.gov.uk/world/organisatio...mmission-malta

[fatmanfilms]

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	Most people like to be seen as a worker rather than a shirker, right? Look at JRM.

JRM works very few hours at Somerset, I don't get your point.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's quite easy to avoid the list

Tell me about it.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The Royal Family has foreign roots too, German & Greek.

Last I checked, QE2 was born British and not naturalised. And the money comes from that side of the family.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	JRM works very few hours at Somerset, I don't get your point.

Well that rather IS the point.

It is better to be seen as hard working, than spending an hour here or there dead-heading daffodils the wretched gardener missed.

You want your Brexity supporters to see you as a salt-of-the-earth, working all the hours god sends kind of a posh chap, and not that entitled, tax-dodging, rich toff who is steeped in old money.