The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Incorrect, Switzerland is in the Schengen Area, anyone holding a residence permit for Switzerland has no restrictions in the Schengen Area, if the did they could not lice in Switzerland.

You are of course, free to ask the British High Commission in Malta for clarification.

https://www.gov.uk/world/organisatio...mmission-malta

[fatmanfilms]

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	Most people like to be seen as a worker rather than a shirker, right? Look at JRM.

JRM works very few hours at Somerset, I don't get your point.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It's quite easy to avoid the list

Tell me about it.

[baboon]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The Royal Family has foreign roots too, German & Greek.

Last I checked, QE2 was born British and not naturalised. And the money comes from that side of the family.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	JRM works very few hours at Somerset, I don't get your point.

Well that rather IS the point.

It is better to be seen as hard working, than spending an hour here or there dead-heading daffodils the wretched gardener missed.

You want your Brexity supporters to see you as a salt-of-the-earth, working all the hours god sends kind of a posh chap, and not that entitled, tax-dodging, rich toff who is steeped in old money.

[marton]

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	I imagine the waters are pretty muddy on those lists. Maybe a lot don't admit to the inherited part and like to big up the apparent "roll yer sleeves up, self-made hard-knocks " efforts. Easy to play that card if the family money is in the background, quietly bolstering the offspring's business interests. Most people like to be seen as a worker rather than a shirker, right? Look at JRM.

There is another thread about Trump

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	you want your brexity supporters to see you as a salt-of-the-earth, working all the hours god sends kind of a posh chap, and not that entitled, tax-dodging, rich toff who is steeped in old money.

It's funny. I used to object to the phrase "Tory scum", as I thought it lowered the tone of political debate.

It's only recently dawned on me that in this context, "scum" is actually a euphemism. There are much more appropriate words to use for these kinds of people, very few of which can be repeated on EF.

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	It's funny. I used to object to the phrase "Tory scum", as I thought it lowered the tone of political debate.

It would raise the tone these days.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	baboon
	Actually the relevant figure is net sales so only 49% mark-up. The GM of near 33% is actually fairly good for a retail business. 20 years ago it was only 28.6%. Seems Amazon have boosted margins....

Waitrose presumably has considerably lower margins yet is responsible for more than 60% of sales.

Employee numbers significantly higher than 9 years ago, that surprised me.
I find the 7.3% ROIC disappointing, I would never invest in a retailer.

John Baron is here saying that Gove and Raab are telling MPs that Johnson's deal is the route to no deal:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...66530490916872

Matt Hancock gets a political wedgie.

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/statu...brexit-deal%2F

[lewton]

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	That's one of the things that stinks about conservatism. It's built on a bed of lies. There's nothing "free" about the free market. The whole thing is bullshit. Time to sharpen those guillotine blades, I say. Let the lying tongues flap in rolling heads.

Jezza, is that you?

This is spot on..

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	This is spot on.. Attachment 137906

It would have been spot on if it wouldn't be going on for 3 years now.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	It would have been spot on if it wouldn't be going on for 3 years now.

Yeah right. 3 weeks or 3 years makes no difference when the government have continually tried to get deals over the line the last minute while spending years/months hiding details, plans, ideas, secret discussions resulting in no country wide debates, expert scrutiny or independent assessments. And, I hasten to add, most of the real information regarding negotiations has come from the EU over the last 3 years.

This isn't the first time Anna Soubry has said this - she highlighted the very same concerns to Theresa May/HOC in March.

It's been a tory sh!t show of here's my plan, but please don't mind me while I hit you over the head with it and shout at you (and bribe) to agree to it before the imminent dead line.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	This is spot on..

What use would additional time to debate be?

It doesn't matter how long the delay would be for, it would still end in a rush, and the parliament would still want to be washed without getting wet. And that would still be impossible.

Get out now or withdraw invoking article 50. Whether it's May's deal or BoJo's has become utterly irrelevant, the result of Brexit will be a mess anyway. And regulations after the transition period will still have to be negotiated, it's already clear that this will result in an even bigger mess.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	What use would additional time to debate be? It doesn't matter how long the delay would be for, it would still end in a rush, and the parliament would still want to be washed without getting wet. And that would still be impossible. Get out now or withdraw invoking article 50.

Read my last post.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Read my last post.

You beat me to it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	What use would additional time to debate be? It doesn't matter how long the delay would be for, it would still end in a rush, and the parliament would still want to be washed without getting wet. And that would still be impossible. Get out now or withdraw invoking article 50. Whether it's May's deal or BoJo's has become utterly irrelevant, the result of Brexit will be a mess anyway. And regulations after the transition period will still have to be negotiated, it's already clear that this will result in an even bigger mess.

The next extension may be for a budgetary period (5 years) as some of the 27 are getting tired of this nonsense and what a break so the EU can concentrate on other issues.