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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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A banner/placard ready for tomorrow's march in London. Love it!

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Old 18.10.2019, 22:27
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Dirty tactics going on, for sure

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...XBJfdLI7jrVPS0
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Old 18.10.2019, 22:58
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Sadly it appears so.

Nothing but dirty tactics. Folk of Johnson's ilk wouldn't know decency and morality if it bit them on the arse. It's all about the glory for them. The "I'm all right Jack" attitude makes me want to vomit.
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This clown does not know what is going on. The WA/BREXIT and a trade deal are two separate things, that is exactly why the EU have insisted that the WA must be completed before the trade talks start.
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The self-made man is a myth in England. Despite their wonderful, imaginative stories, every single one of them started out with advantages denied the rest of us. Truth always outs.

The country is shackled to a class system designed to keep the little people down. The current model of Brexit will only make things worse.
Every single Tory? A tory who grew up in one of the worst areas in the country is now living in 11 Downing Street.

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Every single Tory? A tory who grew up in one of the worst areas in the country is now living in 11 Downing Street.

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Yes, and the world is flat and carried through space on the back of a turtle.
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Sigh. Again. What was voted for and the shitshow we now have are poles apart.
I'm curious, what exactly were the people voting for?
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Yes, and the world is flat and carried through space on the back of a turtle.
"I stand corrected" would have been a more honest reply.
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Every single Tory? A tory who grew up in one of the worst areas in the country is now living in 11 Downing Street.

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Bit harsh, Bristol isn't that bad.
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"I stand corrected" would have been a more honest reply.
Bullshit. He borrowed £500 from the bank when he was fourteen. That isn't possible for most fourteen year olds.

You're welcome to believe bullshit origin myths, but please spare the rest of us.
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Bullshit. He borrowed £500 from the bank when he was fourteen. That isn't possible for most fourteen year olds.

You're welcome to believe bullshit origin myths, but please spare the rest of us.
£500 to gamble on the market, at that.

Wolverine has a more plausible origins story.
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The guy who went to Eton that costs thousands of £££ a year along with the rest of the political establishment and then Oxford is of humble origins?

Has everyone gone mad?
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The guy who went to Eton that costs thousands of £££ a year along with the rest of the political establishment and then Oxford is of humble origins?

Has everyone gone mad?
When did Sajid Javid do either of those things?
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The guy who went to Eton that costs thousands of £££ a year along with the rest of the political establishment and then Oxford is of humble origins?

Has everyone gone mad?
He's talking about the Chancellor, who Tories love to parade around as an example of "oooh, hasn't he done well?" without ever sharing the full story.

But you're right in principle. The only reason he gets so much attention is because he's such a rare creature amongst the Tory top hats.
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Old 19.10.2019, 12:52
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The only reason he gets so much attention is because he's such a rare creature amongst the Tory top hats.
Not anymore. Even The Guardian reckon about 33% of BAME voters now support the Conservatives. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...backing-tories

Politics shouldn't be about class. It should be about shared values. It's perfectly feasible to be working class with conservative values, and vice versa.
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Not anymore. Even The Guardian reckon about 33% of BAME voters now support the Conservatives. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...backing-tories

Politics shouldn't be about class. It should be about shared values. It's perfectly feasible to be working class with conservative values, and vice versa.
Why are you bringing race into it? Nobody ever mentioned race in this conversation, because it isn't relevant.

On the other hand, when discussing Tories, it is TOTALLY about class, or privilege, or unfair advantages, or whatever else you want to call it. The fact remains that the Chancellor and his supporters are less than honest about his background. "Self-made" men always are, without fail.
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The current model of Brexit will only make things worse.
That would be the model based on the assumption that the world will gives us better trade deals than anyone else because we’re British and from having spent 25+ years generating negative balances of trade, we’ll suddenly become an exporting power house.... ya, I’m not sure Model is the best word to describe that.
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Why are you bringing race into it? Nobody ever mentioned race in this conversation, because it isn't relevant.

On the other hand, when discussing Tories, it is TOTALLY about class, or privilege, or unfair advantages, or whatever else you want to call it. The fact remains that the Chancellor and his supporters are less than honest about his background. "Self-made" men always are, without fail.
The Tories parade Javid as an example of working class immigrant lad who has done well for himself, and if his parents lived on the notorious Farlinge estate in Rochdale for any length of time (I don't know if they did, but as an example), then they did very well for their family.

To answer your second point, a prime example of a self-made man would be the former Labour Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, don't you agree? Or Alan Sugar, controversial though he is. I've said dozens of times in conversations with you that my background is 100% working class, but the divide was between white collar Labour/socialists and blue collar Conservatives which is the opposite of most current preconceptions.
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The Tories parade Javid as an example of working class immigrant lad who has done well for himself, and if his parents lived on the notorious Farlinge estate in Rochdale for any length of time (I don't know if they did, but as an example), then they did very well for their family.

To answer your second point, a prime example of a self-made man would be the former Labour Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, don't you agree? Or Alan Sugar, controversial though he is. I've said dozens of times in conversations with you that my background is 100% working class, but the divide was between white collar Labour/socialists and blue collar Conservatives which is the opposite of most current preconceptions.
I'm not sure what your point is. The fact remains that - random anecdotal examples aside - in the real world rich and powerful people always set out from a position of great advantage in the first place. Maybe this isn't the case in every country in the world (though I suspect it probably is), but it is definitely the case in class-bound England.
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