The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

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	I'm not sure what your point is. The fact remains that - in the real world rich and powerful people always set out from a position of great advantage in the first place.

My point is, when you ascribe to such narrow preconceptions, you become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

	Quote:	IronAngle
	Every single Tory? A tory who grew up in one of the worst areas in the country is now living in 11 Downing Street. Next.

Brentwood in Essex? Really? Worst areas? Compared to what? Get a grip. He may not have been an Eton baby but he obviously made all the right noises at Oxbridge.

Next.

	Quote:	IronAngle
	I'm curious, what exactly were the people voting for?

Not a no deal. As as been stated many times. People did not have all the facts. I'm assuming you actually know this but are just attempting to be arch.

[k_and_e]

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	Not a no deal. As as been stated many times. People did not have all the facts. I'm assuming you actually know this but are just attempting to be arch.

The only thing you know for sure is that more people voted to exit than to remain. Everything else is just guessing and assuming.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	My point is, when you ascribe to such narrow preconceptions, you become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

"Narrow preconceptions"? Oh right, have it your way: the Tory party is packed full of doughty yeomen of the soil and mill who have made their way to the top by the sweat of their brow and sheer determination.

Happy now?

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The only thing you know for sure is that more people voted to exit than to remain. Everything else is just guessing and assuming.

Yep. But it has not been as cut and dried as leave/remain for a very, very long time now. If it was, we'd be out already. There's a rotten deceitful core giving enough people pause.

This entire thread, all eleventybillion pages of it is all guessing and assuming. Though it does appear that some guesses and assumptions are acceptable, others not so much.

[k_and_e]

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	This entire thread, all eleventybillion pages of it is all guessing and assuming.

But that's the right thing, as it's all about opinions.

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	Though it does appear that some guesses and assumptions are acceptable, others not so much.

I just love the keyboard warriors here who claim they understand the world

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I just love the keyboard warriors here who claim they understand the world

And that wins the award for patronising ballclicks of the day. And means the square root of sweet FA. HTH.

I'm assuming you're being insulting. Or trying to be, anyway. I'd say exactly the same thing if face to face down the pub.


Us wimmin folk using the words, speaking the mind....what to do, eh?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I just love the keyboard warriors here who claim they understand the world

I'd never claim that personally. It's more about striving to understand the world and keep up when it changes second by second.
Anyway... Yet another "most important day of Brexit" today, until the next one that is. Heard Johnson's deal described as 'Canada +--' last night. Pretty sure that wasn't one of the models ruminated over before the referendum

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I just love the keyboard warriors here who claim they understand the world

Who are you talking about?

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Who are you talking about?

Me, probably. I often like to garb myself in a bearskin and start battles with random berserkers using my laptop as a weapon. They don't half sting if you catch the side of your opponent's head with the corner where all the USB ports are.

I feel an epic poem coming on...

[marton]

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	I'm not sure what your point is. The fact remains that - random anecdotal examples aside - in the real world rich and powerful people always set out from a position of great advantage in the first place. Maybe this isn't the case in every country in the world (though I suspect it probably is), but it is definitely the case in class-bound England.

There is an old Yorkshire saying "clogs to clogs in three generations". Or to put it another way, children do not always make the most of their start in life.

Been listening to the live debate. Is all circles and contradictions.

What a day.

[IronAngle]

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	Not a no deal. As as been stated many times. People did not have all the facts. I'm assuming you actually know this but are just attempting to be arch.

Which deal did they vote for then?

[IronAngle]

Once the whole ordeal is over Laura Kuenssberg could probably write a few volumes on Brexit.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I just love the keyboard warriors here who claim they understand the world

While it's us who really understand it!

On a more serious note, what will happen next?

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The only thing you know for sure is that more people voted to exit than to remain. Everything else is just guessing and assuming.

To be fair, the ‘guessing and assuming’ is the default position of Brexiters. None of them has the foggiest clue how to follow it through once the UK leaves.

Usually when you vote for something you have a plan how to execute it. There is, thus far, blank pages as soon as they slam the door on the EU.

That is what sets this referendum apart from others.

[IronAngle]

The Letwin amendment has passed. Looks like the DUP still hold the key to Brexit.

[Blueangel]

Letwin Amendment passed 322/306

[Belgianmum]

Bloody hell, Johnson is a giant prick.