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#**23541** 19.10.2019, 23:59

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No, however he is not a successful businessman. Being a Royal did not help one little bit, so your argument would seem to have fallen flat.

He was a hopeless businessman, but somehow seems to be doing all right after all.

Seems that my argument is pretty well supported, actually.

fatmanfilms · #**23542** 20.10.2019, 00:03

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	He was a hopeless businessman, but somehow seems to be doing all right after all. Seems that my argument is pretty well supported, actually.

What success has he had doing anything?

Sky · #**23543** 20.10.2019, 00:05

A rather feudal structure..

#**23544** 20.10.2019, 00:05

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	What success has he had doing anything?

Is he living a comfortable life or is he struggling to survive after taking all those risks and failing?

Well?

fatmanfilms · #**23545** 20.10.2019, 00:14

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	Is he living a comfortable life or is he struggling to survive after taking all those risks and failing? Well?

I thought this thread was about advantages of money & family connections leading to success. You added the Royal flavour, possibly without thinking first.
Clearly money & the best connections in themselves don't make a business profitable, talent, hard work & luck also come into it.

You seem to be objecting to rich people that have a good life by achieving nothing themselves, it's a perfectly reasonable objection but not relevant. Personally I don't think being a Royal in the public eye is that comfortable or anything I would want.

Meanwhile our PM has sent an unsigned letter asking for an extension, he also sent a second signed letter arguing that an extension was a bad idea.& in nobodies interest.

#**23546** 20.10.2019, 00:19

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I thought this thread was about advantages of money & family connections leading to success. You added the Royal flavour, possibly without thinking first. Clearly money & the best connections in themselves don't make a business profitable, talent, hard work & luck also come into it. You seem to be objecting to rich people that have a good life by achieving nothing themselves, it's a perfectly reasonable objection but not relevant.

He was able to take the risk because he knew he always had options if he failed.

I don't really care how people come by their money or how they live their lives. I have enjoyed a fair bit of privilege myself. I just wish we could be spared this "anyone can do it with hard work and persistence" bullshit when we all know that it isn't true.

Too many people are simply unwilling to acknowledge the enormous amount of support and back-up they enjoyed simply by being born into the right family.

k_and_e · #**23547** 20.10.2019, 00:30

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	I just wish we could be spared this "anyone can do it with hard work and persistence" bullshit when we all know that it isn't true.

That wasn't my point. My point was that hard work and persistence are prerequisites to do it. Of course not anyone can do it.

Troublawesome · #**23548** 20.10.2019, 00:30

Can you both shut up and someone tell us if Boris sent the letter or is he going to jail?

How cool would it be that Trump gets impeached and Boris goes to court as well?

fatmanfilms · #**23549** 20.10.2019, 00:31

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	He was able to take the risk because he knew he always had options if he failed. I don't really care how people come by their money or how they live their lives. I have enjoyed a fair bit of privilege myself. I just wish we could be spared this "anyone can do it with hard work and persistence" bullshit when we all know that it isn't true. Too many people are simply unwilling to acknowledge the enormous amount of support and back-up they enjoyed simply by being born into the right family.

Lets be honest, he took zero risk, he was a hobby film maker that believed he could make a successful business.

Families can be pretty weird, unlike friends you cant choose them.
Inteligence & motivation may be inherited however hunger, motivation & desire for money are probably more important.

I left school at 16 because of the desire to make money above everything else.

#**23550** 20.10.2019, 00:31

	Quote:	k_and_e
	That wasn't my point. My point was that hard work and persistence are prerequisites to do it. Of course not anyone can do it.

I acknowledge that you didn't make that point.

fatmanfilms · #**23551** 20.10.2019, 00:31

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Can you both shut up and someone tell us if Boris sent the letter or is he going to jail? How cool would it be that Trump gets impeached and Boris goes to court as well?

I already answered the question

Troublawesome · #**23552** 20.10.2019, 00:38

What kind of spineless juvenile moron sends an unsigned letter when it's his duty and then a signed one with his useless personal opinion? What kind of games are these? Who does he think he is...does he have no respect for the office he holds?

The UK is now officially a failed state where PMs break the law and play fast and loose with any law that doesn't suit them, as someone would expect on a banana republic.

Shambles....

#**23553** 20.10.2019, 00:39

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Can you both shut up and someone tell us if Boris sent the letter or is he going to jail? How cool would it be that Trump gets impeached and Boris goes to court as well?

I don't think anyone knows at this point. It's a bloody awful knotted mess.

I think it would feel like justice but would merely open the floodgates for even more abuse of powers.

greenmount · #**23554** 20.10.2019, 00:42

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	And that wins the award for patronising ballclicks of the day. And means the square root of sweet FA. HTH. I'm assuming you're being insulting. Or trying to be, anyway. I'd say exactly the same thing if face to face down the pub. Us wimmin folk using the words, speaking the mind....what to do, eh?

He's trying to be insulting on multiple threads, that's quite an achievement.

#**23555** 20.10.2019, 01:03

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I thought this thread was about advantages of money & family connections leading to success.

And you are completely wrong. Have you actually read the thread title?

Could you just shut up for once and refrain from delivering your standard second form economic text book quotes on the virtues of capitalism, as if they were brilliant, inspirational flashes of insight? Feel free to comment usefully on the topic, but take your one-dimensional diatribe on making money elsewhere. Please.

And Prince Edward is an entirely useless posh git who, despite repeated failures in business, continues to live a very privileged life. It astounds me that you keep falling for the same troll bait over and over again.

Back to the topic now.

Blueangel · #**23556** 20.10.2019, 01:10

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	What kind of spineless juvenile moron sends an unsigned letter when it's his duty and then a signed one with his useless personal opinion? What kind of games are these? Who does he think he is...does he have no respect for the office he holds?

Strictly speaking, at this point in time, he hasn't broken the law and has complied with the terms of the Benn Act. The second letter (and there's a rumoured but unconfirmed third letter) largely refers to Padfield which is a bedrock of UK constitutional law. For proper clarification in thankfully easily understandable language, please refer to this Twitter member...

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen

I particularly like this comment...

"Yes, the side letter could be in Comic Sans or in crayon, and it would not be any more childish"

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/...78305695010816

#**23557** 20.10.2019, 01:26

This is a brilliant analysis of Johnson's unsigned-letter-plus-one-or-two-"personal"-letters-to-the-EU caper:

"The other letters are sprigs of parsley. There to garnish the fact that he has now asked the EU for an extension, after repeatedly promising his supporters he would not do so."

Blueangel · #**23558** 20.10.2019, 01:41

It's an astonishing state of affairs when the majority of people have zero trust in the PM, he cannot be taken at his word, and we feel compelled to second guess his next move because there is no clarity, honesty or honour about the man.

Jim2007 · #**23559** 20.10.2019, 01:44

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	What kind of spineless juvenile moron sends an unsigned letter when it's his duty and then a signed one with his useless personal opinion? What kind of games are these? Who does he think he is...does he have no respect for the office he holds?

Someone who has not learned much from history perhaps, Khrushchev did the same during the Cuban Crisis, leaving JFK to cherry pick the parts of Khrushchev‘s communications that suited him...

If the EU were to do the same and simply set the extension to the end of the next budgetary period, the end of 2025, as some EU officials have suggested it might encourage them to sort themselves out. It would certainly allow the EU to concentrate on other issues as desired by France, while meeting Germany and Ireland’s desire for an extension.

Leaving it to the 27 to choose what suits them best could blow up in his face big time.

Blueangel · #**23560** 20.10.2019, 01:53

A lengthy extension would also be my preferred option as it would take the heat out of the situation. My belief remains that most of this should have been done before A50 was triggered to allow time for properly testing different models and routes to a steady exit in full consultation with all the UK nations and dependents, industry, etc...