The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 1181

fatmanfilms · #**23601** 19.10.2019, 23:50

	Quote:	k_and_e
	No, the point is that you will fail if you don't work hard, are not persistent and have no talent - no matter where you come from.

I actually believe if there is too much money sloshing around in the background the chance of success is slim, it's easier to just spend the trust fund or whatever.

I went to school with some kids from very mixed backgrounds, the ones who were independently wealthy spent most of their early adult life high on drink & drugs until the money ran out.

Blueangel · #**23602** 19.10.2019, 23:53

	Quote:	Urs Max
	So it's Corbyn's fault that...

Never said it's his fault, but he's definitely culpable. In British law, a person can be charged with culpable manslaughter when they stand by and do nothing to prevent an action. Whether wittingly or unwittingly, Corbyn has been culpable to the situation we are in now. His marked inaction at crucial points has enabled the government's plans to progress under the last 3 PMs. My base opinion of Corbyn was formed in 1988 and everything he's done since has only solidified it, which I find crushingly sad. I take no joy from it.

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	I’d be surprised if he didn’t. I’m sure the Baron ensured those wheels were also sufficiently greased.

He got 2 Bs and a C. Brasenose required 3 Bs, yet he went on to get a First. After getting sacked from The Times for pretty serious offences, he began but didn't complete a doctorate at Trinity. Toadmeister is more than adept at slithering up and down greasy poles. Getting sacked from The Times and greasy poles appear to be recurrent themes in certain circles.

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	You really believe it’s a real business programme don’t you?

It hasn't been the same since the wonderful Tom Pellereau and his 'emergency biscuit'.

My highlight is the shopping list task, particularly the one when nobody knew what a cloche was. Idiots!

fatmanfilms · #**23603** 19.10.2019, 23:54

	Quote:
	The difference is what happens to you if you do fail. THAT is the point. Luck is when your business goes tits up but your daddy absorbs the impact and you can keep the Ferrari and the bling, and blithely move on to your next spiffy idea for a business. No rich daddy and you are up to your neck in brown and smelly reality.

Interestingly when I decided to leave school at 16, my parents wanted me to carry on with my education so I could have something to fall back on. Personally the last thing I wanted was the option to fail.

#**23604** 19.10.2019, 23:54

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Ardent lost it's investors £2,200,000. Zero success because zero talent & too much money with no hunger.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	No, the point is that you will fail if you don't work hard, are not persistent and have no talent - no matter where you come from.

So Prince Edward is now a down and out?

fatmanfilms · #**23605** 19.10.2019, 23:58

	Quote:
	So Prince Edward is now a down and out?

No, however he is not a successful businessman. Being a Royal did not help one little bit, so your argument would seem to have fallen flat.

#**23606** 19.10.2019, 23:59

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No, however he is not a successful businessman. Being a Royal did not help one little bit, so your argument would seem to have fallen flat.

He was a hopeless businessman, but somehow seems to be doing all right after all.

Seems that my argument is pretty well supported, actually.

fatmanfilms · #**23607** 20.10.2019, 00:03

	Quote:
	He was a hopeless businessman, but somehow seems to be doing all right after all. Seems that my argument is pretty well supported, actually.

What success has he had doing anything?

Sky · #**23608** 20.10.2019, 00:05

A rather feudal structure..

#**23609** 20.10.2019, 00:05

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	What success has he had doing anything?

Is he living a comfortable life or is he struggling to survive after taking all those risks and failing?

Well?

fatmanfilms · #**23610** 20.10.2019, 00:14

	Quote:
	Is he living a comfortable life or is he struggling to survive after taking all those risks and failing? Well?

I thought this thread was about advantages of money & family connections leading to success. You added the Royal flavour, possibly without thinking first.
Clearly money & the best connections in themselves don't make a business profitable, talent, hard work & luck also come into it.

You seem to be objecting to rich people that have a good life by achieving nothing themselves, it's a perfectly reasonable objection but not relevant. Personally I don't think being a Royal in the public eye is that comfortable or anything I would want.

Meanwhile our PM has sent an unsigned letter asking for an extension, he also sent a second signed letter arguing that an extension was a bad idea.& in nobodies interest.

#**23611** 20.10.2019, 00:19

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I thought this thread was about advantages of money & family connections leading to success. You added the Royal flavour, possibly without thinking first. Clearly money & the best connections in themselves don't make a business profitable, talent, hard work & luck also come into it. You seem to be objecting to rich people that have a good life by achieving nothing themselves, it's a perfectly reasonable objection but not relevant.

He was able to take the risk because he knew he always had options if he failed.

I don't really care how people come by their money or how they live their lives. I have enjoyed a fair bit of privilege myself. I just wish we could be spared this "anyone can do it with hard work and persistence" bullshit when we all know that it isn't true.

Too many people are simply unwilling to acknowledge the enormous amount of support and back-up they enjoyed simply by being born into the right family.

k_and_e · #**23612** 20.10.2019, 00:30

	Quote:
	I just wish we could be spared this "anyone can do it with hard work and persistence" bullshit when we all know that it isn't true.

That wasn't my point. My point was that hard work and persistence are prerequisites to do it. Of course not anyone can do it.

Troublawesome · #**23613** 20.10.2019, 00:30

Can you both shut up and someone tell us if Boris sent the letter or is he going to jail?

How cool would it be that Trump gets impeached and Boris goes to court as well?

fatmanfilms · #**23614** 20.10.2019, 00:31

	Quote:
	He was able to take the risk because he knew he always had options if he failed. I don't really care how people come by their money or how they live their lives. I have enjoyed a fair bit of privilege myself. I just wish we could be spared this "anyone can do it with hard work and persistence" bullshit when we all know that it isn't true. Too many people are simply unwilling to acknowledge the enormous amount of support and back-up they enjoyed simply by being born into the right family.

Lets be honest, he took zero risk, he was a hobby film maker that believed he could make a successful business.

Families can be pretty weird, unlike friends you cant choose them.
Inteligence & motivation may be inherited however hunger, motivation & desire for money are probably more important.

I left school at 16 because of the desire to make money above everything else.

#**23615** 20.10.2019, 00:31

	Quote:	k_and_e
	That wasn't my point. My point was that hard work and persistence are prerequisites to do it. Of course not anyone can do it.

I acknowledge that you didn't make that point.

fatmanfilms · #**23616** 20.10.2019, 00:31

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Can you both shut up and someone tell us if Boris sent the letter or is he going to jail? How cool would it be that Trump gets impeached and Boris goes to court as well?

I already answered the question

Troublawesome · #**23617** 20.10.2019, 00:38

What kind of spineless juvenile moron sends an unsigned letter when it's his duty and then a signed one with his useless personal opinion? What kind of games are these? Who does he think he is...does he have no respect for the office he holds?

The UK is now officially a failed state where PMs break the law and play fast and loose with any law that doesn't suit them, as someone would expect on a banana republic.

Shambles....

#**23618** 20.10.2019, 00:39

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Can you both shut up and someone tell us if Boris sent the letter or is he going to jail? How cool would it be that Trump gets impeached and Boris goes to court as well?

I don't think anyone knows at this point. It's a bloody awful knotted mess.

I think it would feel like justice but would merely open the floodgates for even more abuse of powers.

greenmount · #**23619** 20.10.2019, 00:42

	Quote:
	And that wins the award for patronising ballclicks of the day. And means the square root of sweet FA. HTH. I'm assuming you're being insulting. Or trying to be, anyway. I'd say exactly the same thing if face to face down the pub. Us wimmin folk using the words, speaking the mind....what to do, eh?

He's trying to be insulting on multiple threads, that's quite an achievement.

#**23620** 20.10.2019, 01:03

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I thought this thread was about advantages of money & family connections leading to success.

And you are completely wrong. Have you actually read the thread title?

Could you just shut up for once and refrain from delivering your standard second form economic text book quotes on the virtues of capitalism, as if they were brilliant, inspirational flashes of insight? Feel free to comment usefully on the topic, but take your one-dimensional diatribe on making money elsewhere. Please.

And Prince Edward is an entirely useless posh git who, despite repeated failures in business, continues to live a very privileged life. It astounds me that you keep falling for the same troll bait over and over again.

Back to the topic now.