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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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I have a lot of respect for people who form their own views of the world. It's a lot better than just blindly following family tradition. What kind of thicko wants to sound like a parrot of his own Dad?
Indeed, quite surprised you made that point after your how important families are in success.

The hero of the day Oliver Letwin recommended to Mrs Thatcher that Scotland should be used as a trial for the Poll Tax, Interesting to see how he goes down in history.
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Indeed, quite surprised you made that point after your how important families are in success.

The hero of the day Oliver Letwin recommended to Mrs Thatcher that Scotland should be used as a trial for the Poll Tax, Interesting to see how he goes down in history.
And Churchill was a total twat until he wasn't. So what?
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Old 20.10.2019, 13:40
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And Churchill was a total twat until he wasn't. So what?
He still is to the vast majority of the world
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... and then, of course, there's good old Oliver Cromwell...
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Old 20.10.2019, 13:54
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Interestingly nobody has remarked how different Hilary Benn's view on the E.U. is from his late father Labour MP Tony Benn.
...and apparently your view on education was quite different to that of your father.
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What kind of spineless juvenile moron sends an unsigned letter when it's his duty and then a signed one with his useless personal opinion? What kind of games are these? Who does he think he is...does he have no respect for the office he holds?

The UK is now officially a failed state where PMs break the law and play fast and loose with any law that doesn't suit them, as someone would expect on a banana republic.

Shambles....
We're back at this question I posted four weeks ago:
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So, what happens if BoJo sabotages the extension so that none [no extension] is effective by October 31?
You know, not apply, or apply late and further play for time, or not sign, or not present it to HRM to make the agreement effective (certainly that's necessary). There must be a ton of steps that need to be taken, each presenting an opportunity to break the process.
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Old 20.10.2019, 14:23
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...and apparently your view on education was quite different to that of your father.
He failed to have the Imagination to do otherwise & then had a very ordinary career reaching middle management.
I guess having little imagination & only working for 1 company from his first day at work until retirement shows he was somewhat risk averse.
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He failed to have the Imagination to do otherwise & then had a very ordinary career reaching middle management.
I guess having little imagination & only working for 1 company from his first day at work until retirement shows he was somewhat risk averse.
Probably not THAT uncommon up to his generation. Many people back then worked for one company until retirement. Nothing to do with imagination or education, or lack of it.
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Old 20.10.2019, 14:43
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Probably not THAT uncommon up to his generation. Many people back then worked for one company until retirement. Nothing to do with imagination or education, or lack of it.
No desire to do better or take a risk, just following the easy way. Why study law, get called to the Bar, then get a full time job totally unrelated? His education seems like a total waste of time & money.
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Old 20.10.2019, 15:04
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No desire to do better or take a risk, just following the easy way. Why study law, get called to the Bar, then get a full time job totally unrelated? His education seems like a total waste of time & money.
Or maybe putting family first with stability and comfort instead of dicking about chasing dreams and pretending to be on the Apprentice.

Having a family tends to concentrate the mind and shifts focus onto more important stuff.
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Old 20.10.2019, 15:24
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Or maybe putting family first with stability and comfort instead of dicking about chasing dreams and pretending to be on the Apprentice.

Having a family tends to concentrate the mind and shifts focus onto more important stuff.
What your saying is that ultimately it's the same for everyone, you either have the risk taking mindset or you don't. When you start a family or if you choose not to start a family is is also a choice.
Your background & education has very little to do with it, blaming something out of your control is an easy cop out, practiced by many.
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This is like watching a very, very slow carousel going round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round.
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What your saying is that ultimately it's the same for everyone, you either have the risk taking mindset or you don't. When you start a family or if you choose not to start a family is is also a choice.
Your background & education has very little to do with it, blaming something out of your control is an easy cop out, practiced by many.
Kind of kills your theory that it’s all down to luck then, eh?

I didn’t say ‘it’s ultimately the same for everyone’. Everyone’s path is different. Some are born with a silver spoon in their mouth and shamelessly use that to advance themselves whilst pretending it’s all down to hard work or luck or whatever alchemy they come up with. Others work on an education and launch a stellar career based on nous and bloody minded hard work. Others get a lucky break from being in the right place at the right time - reality TV style.

It’s not as black and white as you are trying to portray here.
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Old 20.10.2019, 15:51
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Kind of kills your theory that it’s all down to luck then, eh?

I didn’t say ‘it’s ultimately the same for everyone’. Everyone’s path is different. Some are born with a silver spoon in their mouth and shamelessly use that to advance themselves whilst pretending it’s all down to hard work or luck or whatever alchemy they come up with. Others work on an education and launch a stellar career based on nous and bloody minded hard work. Others get a lucky break from being in the right place at the right time - reality TV style.

It’s not as black and white as you are trying to portray here.
People make their own luck, due to persistence & not taking no for an answer.
Everyone is capable of screwing up their own life, I don't think being born with a silver spoon takes that gift away

It every stage of your life you have a choice to push yourself & do better. You can make a black & white choice every day of your life, go home on time or work for longer, or even set up a business from home. It boils down to what motivates you & your aspirations.
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It isn't necessary to have family directly invest in an enterprise in order to benefit from the privilege of being born into the right family. If a minor royal were to set up as a greengrocer with nothing more than a loan from the bank, he would immediately have an advantage over some random bloke from Norfolk, just by virtue of his surname.

That's how the class system works, and where this discussion began.
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This is like watching a very, very slow carousel going round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round.
Probably partially because your argument has been quite week, If a Royal with the right surname cant make a business making films, then the silver spoon advantage is not worth very much.

James Dyson is successful because of determination. Sadly his first invention the ball barrow in no longer made, so much better than having a wheel that sinks into mud.
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James Dyson is successful because of determination.
I'm sure his attendance at a top independent boarding school, with all the related social capital benefits, had absolutely nothing to do with it at all, did it?

Seriously, you should listen to yourself. It is so much easier to take the chance of failure when the consequences of failure aren't actually that bad after all.

Prince Edward being a perfect example of this principle.
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I'm sure his attendance at a top independent boarding school, with all the related social capital benefits, had absolutely nothing to do with it at all, did it?

Seriously, you should listen to yourself. It is so much easier to take the chance of failure when the consequences of failure aren't actually that bad after all.

Prince Edward being a perfect example of this principle.
Everyone born in Western Europe and still in working age is:
- living in an unprecedented period of peace
- probably having the best access to education
- able to can travel around the world easily as first generation ever
- living in the most technologically advanced time ever
- able to make use of freedom of movement within Europe
- having access to the best healthcare and social security systems ever

And still you are complaining about people being more entitled. Of course, there will always be people who are more entitled but chances for everyone are better than ever in history before.
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Everyone born in Western Europe and still in working age is:
- living in an unprecedented period of peace
- probably having the best access to education
- able to can travel around the world easily as first generation ever
- living in the most technologically advanced time ever
- able to make use of freedom of movement within Europe
- having access to the best healthcare and social security systems ever

And still you are complaining about people being more entitled. Of course, there will always be people who are more entitled but chances for everyone are better than ever in history before.
Sounds a bit ‘Harold Macmillan’
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One for DB, I suspect you will enjoy this article about catastrophic self-interest and over confidence of the upper classes.

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Johnson’s career of failing upwards since he left Eton illustrates that overconfidence is class determined. In politics and so many other British institutions, you see mediocrities take jobs for which they are not remotely qualified, because wealthy families and a private education have emboldened them.
In all spheres, catastrophic men and women are united by an imperviousness to the suffering they cause. Even on the most optimistic assumptions, UK in a Changing Europe found Johnson’s “deal” will take £16bn from already dangerously underfunded public services and all who depend on them. (The pessimists believe £49bn will go.) The PM’s lack of concern for them is typical. Dixon described the siege of Kut in 1915 in what is now Iraq: an operation that led to 30,000 British and Indian army casualties. It distinguished itself, even in the First World War, for having no military purpose whatsoever.


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Seriously, you should listen to yourself. It is so much easier to take the chance of failure when the consequences of failure aren't actually that bad after all.
Next you will be telling me next that only the rich & educated are entitled to social benefits & several people will like your post
Generally someone setting up a business will have everything to loose & frequently do, people through good money after bad as the cant accept their idea has failed. Plenty of 'rich' People have gone bankrupt.

I notice that 83% of UK student loans will never be paid back in full. 40% earning less than £25,000 5 years later. Clearly about half the further education budget is totally wasted.
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One for DB, I suspect you will enjoy this article about catastrophic self-interest and over confidence of the upper classes.


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I have been led to believe from teachers on this forum that the teachers that teach in private schools are generally second rate. How is it that privately educated children manage to do so well, perhaps motivation has something to do with it, or possibly the teachers in the state schools are not as good as they think they are & put it down some inferiority complex.
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