The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Whilst allowing less intelligent members of the population to go to University was a noble idea, however if they cant pick a subject that has a 51% chance of giving them a higher paying job, enough to repay their student debts, then taxpayers money is being wasted.

But enough about the Royals and their History of Art degrees.

Wonder if Wills has repaid his student loan yet.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It’s a sovereign parliament not a sovereign government, once a bill passes all stages it will receive Royal Assent. Were BJ to attempt to get the Queen to refuse Assent, he would be in contempt of parliament and even BJ is not stupid enough to give his opponents that hind of opportunity.

Why would it be contempt? The parliament has finished its job once an act is ready to get RA. BoJo would not be hindering the parliament as it's not the parliament's job to get RA but his own.

Classic tactic - put a huge document in front of people with huge time pressure to sign ...

but some are not stupid and will take time to read all the small print. Sometimes the small print says it all- and you know you just can't sign or approve:

Thanks to Caroline Lucas for finding the key to backdoor trap. So, Clause 30 has been inserted after section 13A of the EU Withdrawal Act 2018 :
which basically means that if the Governement does not propose an extension to the transition, MPs will have NO say, and if negotiations on future relationship are unfinished by end of December next year, we will automatically be out with No Deal.

[marton]

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	Classic tactic - put a huge document in front of people with huge time pressure to sign ... but some are not stupid and will take time to read all the small print. Sometimes the small print says it all- ad you know you just can't sign or approve:

Boris's Bill states "EU law to be retained under UK law, as needed, even after the end of the transition period."

While EU laws are retained then any disputes will have to be resolved by the European Court of Justice!

Remind me again why we are leaving

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:
	Classic tactic - put a huge document in front of people with huge time pressure to sign ... but some are not stupid and will take time to read all the small print. Sometimes the small print says it all- ad you know you just can't sign or approve:

On the assumption he really wants a hard BREXIT, he is very clever & yet people think he is a fool.

[Ato]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	On the assumption he really wants a hard BREXIT, he is very clever & yet people think he is a fool.

That assumes it is clever to have a hard brexit.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	On the assumption he really wants a hard BREXIT, he is very clever & yet people think he is a fool.

He has been outplayed at every turn and lost every vote. If that's his style of genius, he's hiding it well.

Maybe he should have got himself onto a YTS when he left Eton instead of wasting money at Balliol. He'd have had parliament licked by now, right?

[k_and_e]

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	He has been outplayed at every turn and lost every vote. If that's his style of genius, he's hiding it well. Maybe he should have got himself onto a YTS when he left Eton instead of wasting money at Balliol. He'd have had parliament licked by now, right?

He's not my favorite guy either but i don't think he is a fool.


A fool doesn't become mayor of London and prime minister. That means he was successful in an extremely competitive and political environment.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	He's not my favorite guy either but i don't think he is a fool. A fool doesn't become mayor of London and prime minister. That means he was successful in an extremely competitive and political environment.

I partially agree with you. He's not a fool in the classic sense and a lot of his buffoonery is just for show, but on the other hand he seems to have grossly misunderstood and underestimated the current task in hand.

He's in a delicate position between the voice of reason ("Don't leave the EU without a deal - it will kill the economy!") and the voice of those with a vested interest in crashing out. He just doesn't know what to do to solve it.

[Troublawesome]

He's definitely not a fool but he's terribly incompetent. A true representation of what Elite means, people who are forced on you to become PMs whether on not anyone actually wants him to. He saw an opportunity to be the biggest populist leader ever, spread dozens of lies (still does..kipper anyone?) and managed to get all the little Englanders to rise against the EU.

And..he's unelected as a PM. Taken to the polls, I think he'd be taking the Tories to the cleaners and lose another 10-15% of their seats.

Be honest Brexiteers, would you trust him to be in charge of your wealth? If not how the hell can you trust him to be in charge of your country? Or the nukes for the love of god..

[k_and_e]

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	I partially agree with you. He's not a fool in the classic sense and a lot of his buffoonery is just for show, but on the other hand he seems to have grossly misunderstood and underestimated the current task in hand. He's in a delicate position between the voice of reason ("Don't leave the EU without a deal - it will kill the economy!") and the voice of those with a vested interest in crashing out. He just doesn't know what to do to solve it.

I agree. The question is just if there is anyone in the UK who does know how to solve it.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I agree. The question is just if there is anyone in the UK who does know how to solve it.

If there is, they must be living in a cave...

[Ace1]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	And..he's unelected as a PM.

Just like every other Prime Minister.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Boris's Bill states "EU law to be retained under UK law, as needed, even after the end of the transition period." While EU laws are retained then any disputes will have to be resolved by the European Court of Justice! Remind me again why we are leaving

And your practical solution would be what?

To put it into perspective, it is coming up on 100 years since the Anglo-Irish Treaty and they are still putting privates acts of parliament through the house in London and Dublin trying to clear things up and decisions made in the Irish/UK Supreme Courts can still have impacts in both jurisdictions, but at least in those situations both countries have a common legal system....

I very much doubt there is a legal brain alive that could come up with a way to make a clean break on a body of law that is being interpreted in 28 countries.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	He's not my favorite guy either but i don't think he is a fool.

The jury is out on the fool or not scenario.

His greatest expertise however, is failing upwards - given he was born in New York, there is really only one more role for him to fail upwards into. You're Welcome America.

[22 yards]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	A fool doesn't become mayor of London and prime minister.

Or President of the USA.

Right?

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	Ace1
	Just like every other Prime Minister.

That's a lie, Theresa May had the balls to call an election immediately as she didn't want to be called unelected. It blew up in her face sure but that's not the point.

Until you go to elections with that face on the ticket, you're just riding someone else's tail. Right now he's riding Theresa May's results.

The whole UK political system is a joke though, no written constituion, majority unelected House of Lords, Queen in charge of it all. What a joke when you want to take back control from the EU when you are one of the least democratic countries in Europe when it comes to representative democracy.

UK needs to get its shit together and stop blaming others for the results of Tory austerity. If you wanted to fight immigration there were 1000 tools to use like CH does: work permits, registration systems, contract-before-you-come, make benefits harder to get (for EVERYONE, not just EU citizens but including the millions of chavs).

All the little dirty secrets of the elite that governs the UK have been brought to light with Brexit. The Moggs and Johnsons of the world and how their upbringing and political ideas is compatible with the average Brexiteer is just beyond me...I'll never get it how the masses from Hull or Sunderland identify with a hedge fund millionaire.

Not to mention the whole country, like the US, is going full retarded. Experts are now discredited so there are measles outbreaks all over South England and parents who say vaccines are poison can be found everywhere.

You'll soon have a flat earth UK society etc. It's unbelievable what populism can do to a country...the educated other half will feel so depressed over the coming decades I won't be surprised if many pack up and leave.

[22 yards]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	That's a lie

No British PM is ever elected by the general population. There's no US Presidential-style election. Whoever is leader of the party with a parliamentary majority becomes PM.

That's the point that Ace1 was making.

More generally, though, general elections in the UK are often seen as a verdict on the performance of the prime minister and his/her government. If the PM is seen as useless, his/her party will lose seats. Most elections are held with the population knowing who would be prime minister, should their preferred party win. This wasn't the case for BoJo, who was elected by a select few in his own party, and hasn't been tested yet in a general election.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	That's a lie, Theresa May had the balls to call an election immediately as she didn't want to be called unelected. It blew up in her face sure but that's not the point. Until you go to elections with that face on the ticket, you're just riding someone else's tail. Right now he's riding Theresa May's results. The whole UK political system is a joke though, no written constituion, majority unelected House of Lords, Queen in charge of it all. What a joke when you want to take back control from the EU when you are one of the least democratic countries in Europe when it comes to representative democracy. UK needs to get its shit together and stop blaming others for the results of Tory austerity. If you wanted to fight immigration there were 1000 tools to use like CH does: work permits, registration systems, contract-before-you-come, make benefits harder to get (for EVERYONE, not just EU citizens but including the millions of chavs). All the little dirty secrets of the elite that governs the UK have been brought to light with Brexit. The Moggs and Johnsons of the world and how their upbringing and political ideas is compatible with the average Brexiteer is just beyond me...I'll never get it how the masses from Hull or Sunderland identify with a hedge fund millionaire. Not to mention the whole country, like the US, is going full retarded. Experts are now discredited so there are measles outbreaks all over South England and parents who say vaccines are poison can be found everywhere. You'll soon have a flat earth UK society etc. It's unbelievable what populism can do to a country...the educated other half will feel so depressed over the coming decades I won't be surprised if many pack up and leave.

UK population never vote for a prime minister, they vote for their local MP.

Gordon Brown, John Major, James Callaghan, Alec Douglas-Hume, Harold McMillain & Winston Churchill also came to power in the way May did,

[bigblue2]

its quite scary just how little grasp people have of the uk parliament system, its really no wonder the country is in such a mess, its incredibly sad people keep posting we vote for the prime minister.