The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	Obviously Hillary did not win the election but with almost 3 million votes more than Trump in the popular vote plus there is the fact that except for Obama in 2008 she got more popular votes than any other Presidential candidate ever. You have no grounds to claim Hillary was a flawed candidate at best and ran a poorly run campaign.

Justin Trudeau has just been re-elected Prime Minister in Canada despite not winning the popular vote, just like Trump. I suspect the level of outcry over this matter will be significantly less than that over Trump, or indeed that over the Brexit referendum result. If this is the case I think it’ll say a lot about certain sections of society and their ability to accept the results of agreed democratic process.

[TonyClifton]

Time and again Boris Johnson is proving his detractors wrong. They said he wanted no deal, and then he went to Brussels. They said he wasn’t interested in or able to get a deal, and then he went and delivered one. They said he wasn’t interested in detail, and now he’s delivered a Withdrawal Agreement Bill so full of detail that the House of Commons have requested a longer period of time to process it all.

The deal is not great, but given the hand dealt to him be Theresa May, the short time available to him and a Parliament fully against him, I would say Boris Johnson has done a commendable job. An added plus is that he’s finally told the DUP to do one. And this is reflected in the polls where Boris has now built up a double digit lead against the opposition.

I have the feeling now that Remain are finally running out of road, and have few options left to turn to. The results last night suggest that there is a very strong chance the WAB will pass eventually. More importantly, it showed there is still no majority in the house for a second referendum. If a General Election takes place then Boris will win so between now and January 31st the UK should finally leave the EU.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Time and again Boris Johnson is proving his detractors wrong. They said he wanted no deal, and then he went to Brussels. They said he wasn’t interested in or able to get a deal, and then he went and delivered one. They said he wasn’t interested in detail, and now he’s delivered a Withdrawal Agreement Bill so full of detail that the House of Commons have requested a longer period of time to process it all. The deal is not great, but given the hand dealt to him be Theresa May, the short time available to him and a Parliament fully against him, I would say Boris Johnson has done a commendable job. An added plus is that he’s finally told the DUP to do one. And this is reflected in the polls where Boris has now built up a double digit lead against the opposition. I have the feeling now that Remain are finally running out of road, and have few options left to turn to. The results last night suggest that there is a very strong chance the WAB will pass eventually. More importantly, it showed there is still no majority in the house for a second referendum. If a General Election takes place then Boris will win so between now and January 31st the UK should finally leave the EU.

You are Dominic Cummings and I claim my £5.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Justin Trudeau has just been re-elected Prime Minister in Canada despite not winning the popular vote, just like Trump. I suspect the level of outcry over this matter will be significantly less than that over Trump, or indeed that over the Brexit referendum result. If this is the case I think it’ll say a lot about certain sections of society and their ability to accept the results of agreed democratic process.

Isn’t it up to the people who DIDN’T vote for him to start the ‘outcry’? I can’t see a scenario where Trudeau supporters would be demonstrating in the streets because the person they voted for actually won.

If you are looking for something to say about ‘certain sections of society’, how about ‘apathy among the Trudeau’ opposing voters’? Clearly they’re not THAT bothered that Trudeau was re-elected.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	StirB
	You are Dominic Cummings and I claim my £5

Bot on a night shift? Very sloppy punctuation. #ClassicDom

[marton]

@Blueangel You seem to be linking IQ to academic qualifications which you are entitled to do as your opinion. There is no formal link although some studies claim to have found an increase in IQ during people's education but it is difficult to prove that the IQ increase would not have happened anyway.

BTW, a number of US primary schools only accept new pupils who perform adequately in IQ tests, see Weschler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence (WPPSI) or Weschler Intelligence Scale for Children - version five. Myself, I am not sure this is a good idea as you miss the late developers and anyway subjecting such young children to "make or break" tests is tough; who wants to be labelled as a failure at the age of five!

IQ score is simply the result of a test to measure intelligence, such tests should not be biased so as to benefit people with an academic background.

[Th3Alchemist]

I'm going for a weekend trip to Manchester on the 1st Nov. On the Swiss website I've got an notification that I should enter the API (Advance Passenger Information).

Since when is this required for travelers from Switzerland? Is this a brexit precaution?

	Quote:	Th3Alchemist
	I'm going for a weekend trip to Manchester on the 1st Nov. On the Swiss website I've got an notification that I should enter the API (Advance Passenger Information). Since when is this required for travelers from Switzerland? Is this a brexit precaution?

Nah, it's standard. Nothing to do with Brexit.

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	For security reasons, the US, most EU member states, and other countries now require airlines to provide details about their passengers before they travel. This is known as Advance Passenger Information (API). Your airline will let you know what they need from you.

	Quote:	marton
	@Blueangel You seem to be linking IQ to academic qualifications which you are entitled to do as your opinion. There is no formal link although some studies claim to have found an increase in IQ during people's education but it is difficult to prove that the IQ increase would not have happened anyway. BTW, a number of US primary schools only accept new pupils who perform adequately in IQ tests, see Weschler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence (WPPSI) or Weschler Intelligence Scale for Children - version five. Myself, I am not sure this is a good idea as you miss the late developers and anyway subjecting such young children to "make or break" tests is tough; who wants to be labelled as a failure at the age of five! IQ score is simply the result of a test to measure intelligence, such tests should not be biased so as to benefit people with an academic background.

I don't think she is. She is, however, saying that there are ways, and ways, of conveying information.

I agree with you re IQ tests and primary school admission. *shudder*

[fatmanfilms]

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	I don't think she is. She is, however, saying that there are ways, and ways, of conveying information. I agree with you re IQ tests and primary school admission. *shudder*

With any form of a test, certain people will do better or worse than they should. As a Dyslexic I found IQ tests OK, then my maths is OK which compensates for the word questions.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	With any form of a test, certain people will do better or worse than they should. As a Dyslexic I found IQ tests OK, then my maths is OK which compensates for the word questions.

I'm happy for you but this isn't relevant. Is it? It might be I suppose, I've had a nap...

Well, I've got a very high IQ and I'm still thick as pigshit, so...

Where are we at with Brexit?

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	Well, I've got a very high IQ and I'm still thick as pigshit, so... Where are we at with Brexit?

What's Brexit again?

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	What's Brexit again?

Not happening, I think.

[Blueangel]

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	Where are we at with Brexit?

First question at PMQs was from Rupa Huq (Ealing) asking when the PM was going to sack Dominic Cummings. PM went on to tell a pack of lies saying there would be no checks between NI and GB and the Scottish Parliament has no say in what happens next.

Later, in a meeting between the PM, Corbyn, the chief whips and SPADs, Labour chief Whip, Nick Brown, offered the PM a new debate timetable. Cummings had a right old hissy fit, thumping the table demanding a GE. PM told him to "Shut up!". Now they've gone for some grub and will resume it all this evening.

*insert soap opera theme tune of your choice.*

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/st...11943128682498

[Blueangel]

You can tell it's been a slow day when folk get up to this kind of mischief. You need to be quick before Javid's team realise and get it taken down.

https://www.sajidjavid.com/news/saji...itish-business

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You can tell it's been a slow day when folk get up to this kind of mischief. You need to be quick before Javid's team realise and get it taken down.

I'm pretty sure there's no need to hurry given that it's more than 3 years old

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	I'm pretty sure there's no need to hurry given that it's more than 3 years old

I know, but I doubt his team will like it being shared all over social media at such a crucial point in proceedings You'd think that they'd have deleted it years ago.

[Karl]

My take: Brexit is about the rich and powerful wanting to remain rich and powerful, the people be damned.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	I'm pretty sure there's no need to hurry given that it's more than 3 years old

Whoooooooooosssshhhhhhh