The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	Corbyn on the spot again then. From the Spectator: "A quick glance at the House of Commons’ records shows that Corbyn has demanded an immediate election 16 times in Parliament in 2019. Over the same period, the Labour leader has called for an election on Twitter a whopping 34 times as well, bringing the total to 50."

Quote; Harold Wilson "A week is a long time in politics"
After he was challenged for reversing his position within a week.

[edot]

	Quote:	curley
	And then what? There gonna be mostly the same people but on different chairs and they will carry on bickering? Is that the British way of looking at things from a different perspective? I get the impression, they would keep themselves busy with anything, just to not deal with the subject at hand.

I think your observation is more about people, or perhaps politicians in general - inertia is strong - rather any specific group of people.

[NotAllThere]

The year is 2192,
the British prime minister visits Brussels to ask for an extension of the Brexit deadline.
No one remembers where this tradition originated,
but every year it attracts many tourists from all over the world.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	The year is 2192, the British prime minister visits Brussels to ask for an extension of the Brexit deadline. No one remembers where this tradition originated, but every year it attracts many tourists from all over the world.

Third time it's been posted in this thread...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	curley
	I get the impression, they would keep themselves busy with anything, just to not deal with the subject at hand.

Exactly.
Everything Johnson has done is blatantly designed to shut down debate in parliament. A GE means the parliament will be dissolved for a minimum of 5 weeks during the campaign period, so no debate on Brexit. Proproging parliament for 5 weeks was an attempt to do the same.

With any matter in every day life, if a partner, friend, colleague or family member repeatedly says they don't want to talk about something that's mutually vital, how do you respond? It's all bollocks.

Case in point: Johnson was supposed to meet with the Commons Select Committee at 10am today. It's the 3rd time he's been invited to attend and hasn't. His handwritten excuse sent last night stated that he was far too busy and can they please schedule it for 5/6 June 2020. He was supposed to be in a cabinet meeting at No.10 this morning, but instead he was in the gym at No.10 with his other half. So...he missed a cabinet meeting and a Commons Select Committee meeting to spend an hour in the gym?!!

[greenmount]

"I voted Remain, not just for political reasons but because my mum’s moved to Spain and I want her to stay there." - Leo Kearse

[marton]

Seems Boris has given up on the idea of Brexit on 31 Oct?
He is now believed to be looking for a suitable ditch.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	He is now believed to be looking for a suitable ditch.

Better than that marton, he's threatening to go on strike https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...36091529408512

I'm honestly beginning to wonder if he's just some lazy ass foobar who wants to catch up on Netflix instead of doing his job.

[keyboardandmouse]

It is now stalemate. The EU will continue to offer extensions, Boris will never get his deal through so will demand an election, Corbyn will not agree to an election before No Deal is removed, Boris will not remove No Deal.

It is literally the end of the line.

The only fix now is the french says "no more extension" and we crash out.

Yoiks.

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Better than that marton, he's threatening to go on strike https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...36091529408512 I'm honestly beginning to wonder if he's just some lazy ass foobar who wants to catch up on Netflix instead of doing his job.

Occasionally you get memes that are both thought through and amusing

[Raffles]

	Quote:	keyboardandmouse
	The only fix now is the french says "no more extension" and we crash out. Yoiks.

Yes, though I don't think he will block it in the end. He's digging his heels in at the moment, but he's got some irons in the fire also. He's wanting changes in the EU, so will he really want to appear like he's going against other member states if they vote for an extension.

[bowlie]

Well, I'm hoping is that Macron will say:

"Une extension ? D'accord, mais seulement s'il y a un deuxième référendum !"

[Jim2007]

Parnell and now Michael Collins – What’s with Tory Brexiteers quoting Irish heroes?

Well we're definitely living in strange times when the tories state quoting Irish republicans in the House Of Commons...perhaps they can find common ground with Corbyn.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Karl
	My take: Brexit is about the rich and powerful wanting to remain rich and powerful, the people be damned.

I don’t really follow your logic here, surely if the rich and powerful wanted to remain rich and powerful then they would’ve voted for the status quo which would have meant voting to remain in the EU? The CBI, majority of business leaders, Bank of England and the government at the time (ie the rich and powerful) all supported the vote to remain. It’s the same when looking at vote result by region, the rich and powerful south east of England voted to remain whilst the other poorer regions, apart from Scotland and Northern Ireland, voted to leave. When looking at the referendum result by social grade, lower social grade groups voted to leave while the higher ones voted to remain.

[StirB]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I don’t really follow your logic here, surely if the rich and powerful wanted to remain rich and powerful then they would’ve voted for the status quo which would have meant voting to remain in the EU?

The status quo re: tax reform necessitates leaving the EU.

[Troublawesome]

No one in the world is doing more to battle tax evasion and corporate fraud than the EU. The UK's Leave overlords are drooling over getting rid of all regulations and turning this into a Panama on Thames situation.

They'll be swimming in £millions from their private gigs by the time this is over. Moggs will be the poorest of them all.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	When looking at the referendum result by social grade, lower social grade groups voted to leave while the higher ones voted to remain.

Could you please provide a link to the empirical evidence for your assertion (bearing in mind that the ballot was secret)?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	edot
	I think your observation is more about people, or perhaps politicians in general - inertia is strong - rather any specific group of people.

Inertia......what a good word.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Could you please provide a link to the empirical evidence for your assertion (bearing in mind that the ballot was secret)?

Who needs empirical evidence when you have this

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Seems Boris has given up on the idea of Brexit on 31 Oct? He is now believed to be looking for a suitable ditch.

The ditch is called Westminster