The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 1195

#**23881** 28.10.2019, 15:31

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Has the extension been accepted by the UK government yet?

Irrelevant, the Benn Act says he must accept - the House has already tacitly accepted.

#**23882** 28.10.2019, 15:32

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Scotland's finances won't qualify for EU membership, how will they fudge that?

Probably politely ask for all that oil money to be backdated. Or perhaps stop offering English kids cheap tuition

Blueangel · #**23883** 28.10.2019, 15:36

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Scotland's finances won't qualify for EU membership, how will they fudge that?

It would place them mid-table on the EU member states 2018 GDP table.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Scotland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...European_Union

fatmanfilms · #**23884** 28.10.2019, 15:37

	Quote:
	Probably politely ask for all that oil money to be backdated. Or perhaps stop offering English kids cheap tuition

Won't Scotland be expected to pay a huge divorce bill if they leave

Blueangel · #**23885** 28.10.2019, 15:38

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Can someone provide timelines for - ordinary GE, called by the PM (requires ordinary MP majority I believe) - snap elections due to sucessful no-confidence motion (requires 2/3 majority IIRC) - additional causes for GE, if any When will parliament go (be sent, perhaps) into hibernation and resume business, how much time to campaign in each case, etc?

Please see post #23928 on the previous page for some of the answers.

Blueangel · #**23886** 28.10.2019, 15:39

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Won't Scotland be expected to pay a huge divorce bill if they leave

UK will have already paid that.

John William · #**23887** 28.10.2019, 15:42

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Can someone provide timelines for - ordinary GE, called by the PM (requires ordinary MP majority I believe) - snap elections due to sucessful no-confidence motion (requires 2/3 majority IIRC) - additional causes for GE, if any When will parliament go (be sent, perhaps) into hibernation and resume business, how much time to campaign in each case, etc?

Well the way things are going, it shouldn't be long now before true blue Tories wrest control from the
hardline ERG Brexit junkies and the High Priest of Tory Eurosceptism, Jacob Rees-Mogg is consigned
to his Sarcophagus in the vaults of the Monday Club; never to woken from his cryrogenic sleep again
until the return of the British Empire.

#**23888** 28.10.2019, 16:09

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Won't Scotland be expected to pay a huge divorce bill if they leave

Not sure what financial obligations Scotland has agreed with the Union. Perhaps they will just threaten not to pay it, like the lads down South want to do with the EU? No Deal could be doubly expensive for rUK

#**23889** 28.10.2019, 16:23

	Quote:
	Not sure what financial obligations Scotland has agreed with the Union. Perhaps they will just threaten not to pay it, like the lads down South want to do with the EU? No Deal could be doubly expensive for rUK

I'd have thought if there was any money owing it would be more likely to be owed TO Scotland rather than BY Scotland.

... especially if Scotland chose to bill the rest of the former Union for the services of all those scientists, engineers and soldiers over the years...

Urs Max · #**23890** 28.10.2019, 16:39

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Please see post #23928 on the previous page for some of the answers.

Do you mean #23934?
Your thoughts there, or perhaps it's more the gaps between your dots, were instrumental in my realisation that I lack the knowledge to understand the reasons for all that back-and-forth. And that I'm probably very far from the only one.

Why for instance would 3) give BoJo the power to crash out anytime? The Benn Act still stands and binds the PM.

autopoiesis · #**23891** 28.10.2019, 16:39

	Quote:
	Cancel it, go back to the drawing board, come up with a proper plan, then present it to the people in five years, ten years, however long it takes to do it properly.

You're an optimist: defining 'properly' will take >10yrs

	Quote:
	Really, what a bunch of totally useless tossers the Tories have turned out to be.

Agree 100%, but few parliamentarians have come out not looking incompetent/treacherous/dishonest. Among the less-goofy: Caroline Lucas, Philip Hammond (possibly the only low-goof Tory), some Lib Dems, Ian Blackford and maybe a slack handful of others.

Corbyn is a joke, reduced to shenanigans no better than the Tories'. I used to think that - while not really being PM material - he made a serviceable leader of the Opposition (you know, poking in the right places, making a nuisance, etc).

In normal times, perhaps that would be true; but he's completely failed to step up to the plate regarding Brexit, and doesn't appear to have accomplished anything else, either.

What a massive lost opportunity.

At least Nigel Farage has been consistent...

#**23892** 28.10.2019, 17:01

Boris economics...

https://twitter.com/PointlessBrexit/...p-coins%2F2%2F

The best bit is the Brexity commemorative 50p piece cost a pound each to mint.

John William · #**23893** 28.10.2019, 17:42

	Quote:
	Boris economics... https://twitter.com/PointlessBrexit/...p-coins%2F2%2F The best bit is the Brexity commemorative 50p piece cost a pound each to mint.

As for me I'm waiting for the Brexit commemorative stamps to come out which will feature Boris Johnson
dressed as Oliver Hardy ( from Laurel & Hardy ) with the motto 'Here's another fine mess you've got me in, Farage !!'

Jim2007 · #**23894** 28.10.2019, 18:31

	Quote:
	Cancel it, go back to the drawing board, come up with a proper plan, then present it to the people in five years, ten years, however long it takes to do it properly.

But that would mean they'd...... have to make a plan on who to actually achieve it.... I mean they'd have to:

- Explain who you get Argentina and Russia to withdraw their objections to the UK 's trade schedules at the UN.
- Explain how you get as good a deal as the EU has with Canada or Japan when their trade agreement with the EU requires mutual agreement of both party to anyone else the same or a better deal
- By then most likely Aus, NZ and India will also have signed similar deals with the EU, so what to do there....
- Get an agreement with the US, without upsetting the congress

And so on.

I sorry to have to say DB, the sad truth is you don't seem to have a budding career in politics....

#**23895** 28.10.2019, 21:08

Wow, BoJo can't win a single vote in Parliament! No election on 12 December.

#**23896** 28.10.2019, 21:47

	Quote:	porsch1909
	This proposed general election. Tories want the 12th Dec but the SNP want the 9th. What's the big fuss over 3 days here? Feel I missed something

Bills become law only after 25 working days have passed. Guess how many working days there would be for Parliament before an election on 9 December... and 12 December...

The SNP and the Lib Dems are trying to prevent Boris' Brexit deal being approved before Parliament is dissolved for a General Election.

3Wishes · #**23897** 28.10.2019, 22:22

	Quote:
	Wow, BoJo can't win a single vote in Parliament! No election on 12 December.

Oh come on, he won one vote :P followed immediately by another loss, but you can't win them all and whatnot.

I fail to see how a general election solves anything or moves things forward. If anything, it adds even more delay while parliament is dissolved instead of discussing and negotiating the details of Johnson's deal. Can't they just sit down and hash things out for once or will there never be any consensus?

curley · #**23898** 28.10.2019, 22:25

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Oh come on, he won one vote :P followed immediately by another loss, but you can't win them all and whatnot. I fail to see how a general election solves anything or moves things forward. If anything, it adds even more delay while parliament is dissolved instead of discussing and negotiating the details of Johnson's deal. Can't they just sit down and hash things out for once or will there never be any consensus?

Ain't that the point?

#**23899** 28.10.2019, 22:32

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Oh come on, he won one vote :P followed immediately by another loss, but you can't win them all and whatnot. I fail to see how a general election solves anything or moves things forward. If anything, it adds even more delay while parliament is dissolved instead of discussing and negotiating the details of Johnson's deal. Can't they just sit down and hash things out for once or will there never be any consensus?

The theory/hope is that one party will gain a decisive majority and therefore a mandate to do whatever they promised to do, or at least whatever they feel like doing after they're elected into government. Each party would lay out their position on Brexit and most probably (for such a momentous decision) the electorate would vote for the candidates from the parties that match their wishes on Brexit. Or something.

curley · #**23900** 28.10.2019, 22:46

	Quote:
	The theory/hope is that one party will gain a decisive majority and therefore a mandate to do whatever they promised to do, or at least whatever they feel like doing after they're elected into government. Each party would lay out their position on Brexit and most probably (for such a momentous decision) the electorate would vote for the candidates from the parties that match their wishes on Brexit. Or something.

Man, it sounded so good.
Until you went back to square one with the "or something".