The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

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	Specifically in the UK they're old enough to join the military. Shouldn't that be a sign they're also capable of voting?

In the army at 16 there is no requirement to think, just follow orders, so no sign that they re capable of voting.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It was a legal requirement to stay at school till 16. There rest of the first paragraph is also nonsense as you know. Perhaps only people who work or have worked get the chance to vote

My brother was only 15 when he left school and started his apprenticeship.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	In the army at 16 there is no requirement to think, just follow orders, so no sign that they re capable of voting.

They have to be capable of deciding to go into the army in the first place.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	John William
	And be accused and charged for Pedophilia at the same time !!

Why would they be accused of paedophilia if they were both over the legal age of consent?
17 year olds are legally permitted to have sex in the U.K.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	My brother was only 15 when he left school and started his apprenticeship.

The change was implemented in 1972, when I was 10

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	They have to be capable of deciding to go into the army in the first place.

...and whether the government under which they serve is likely to put them into a pointless conflict and simultaneously filet the defence budget.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The change was implemented in 1972, when I was 10

My brother was 7 in 1972.

[Ato]

Maybe it should only open to property owners who own a morning suit and silver topped cane?

16 year olds are emancipated and are therefore legally responsible for themselves from that point. Don't see why giving them a vote is such a terrible thing.
Although the Labour proposal seems to be for 16-18 year old and all EU citizens with settled status. I see this being debated down to 17 year olds of UK+NI and ROI+Commonwealth.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	My brother was 7 in 1972.

Who was the apprenticeship with?

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Why would they be accused of paedophilia if they were both over the legal age of consent? 17 year olds are legally permitted to have sex in the U.K.

No point arguing with a bot.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Who was the apprenticeship with?

Yorkshire Water.

What difference does it make?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It was a legal requirement to stay at school till 16. There rest of the first paragraph is also nonsense as you know.

The last paragraph may not be true in your case, but could quite conceivably be true if someone inherited money, got a stake in a sold family business etc etc.

[TonyClifton]

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	Ah. You mean they disagree with you. A quick google shows 10 countries already have voting from age 16. And as for the push coming from adults...again a qucik google shows this claim to be well up to your usual standards of inaccuracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votes_at_16

The website in your Wikipedia link lists 4290 supporters, that’s hardly the women’s suffrage movement.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The website in your Wikipedia link lists 4290 supporters, that’s hardly the women’s suffrage movement.

This is largely supporting ORGANISATIONS, not individuals. Add up the number of supporters each of those organisations has and you might see a slightly different picture.

Youth wings of Labour, Libs, Greens, PC and Scot Nats, NUS, .....

	Quote:	autopoiesis
	No, No, No! Over the last 30+ years there has (IMHO) been very little appetite for selling off various national assets (BT, utilities, Post Office, etc), etc; however, this was done regardless, because successive governments claimed they had a 'mandate' when in fact they only got in power because the alternatives were so sh!te, and not because the specifics of their policies had broad/majority support.

Indeed. Did you notice I started my explanation with "The theory/hope"? I could have added "hallucination" and/or "wet dream", but I thought my disdain for the whole concept was sufficiently evident as it was.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Yorkshire Water. What difference does it make?

I was under the impression it was illegal to leave school before age 16 when I was 15 in the UK.
Yorkshire Water belonged to the government at the time, so possibly there were some different rules.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I was under the impression it was illegal to leave school before age 16 when I was 15 in the UK. Yorkshire Water belonged to the government at the time, so possibly there were some different rules.

It's the academic year that counts: 16 by the end of the summer.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Those no's are now 0208 340 / 0208 348.

Actually they're not. Those London phone numbers are 020 8340... / 020 8348... London has only one area code, which is 020. The 8-digit phone numbers starting with 7 or 8 (at the start of the roll-out of the new numbers) were just that, phone numbers, preceded by the area code 020.

Most Londoners, let alone other people, get that wrong, thanks to the misguided billboard ads of the time telling people to add 020 and 7 (or 8, for those in far-flung regions of the metropolis ) to their existing number, which of course was seen as "add 0207 (or 0208)".

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The age of consent in Germany is 14. Should 14 year olds get the vote?

The Labour proposal seems to be for 16-18 year olds.
Where do you get 14 from? Which political party is proposing that?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	The Labour proposal seems to be for 16-18 year olds. Where do you get 14 from? Which political party is proposing that?

Slow down there buckaroo, the point is that age of consent (which you brought up) has no bearing on being an adult.