The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I never thought Sandgrounder or StirB who thanked the post were particularly strong on logic, thanks for pointing this out

Says someone who was so cocksure that the 31 October was going to see the UK crash out with no deal.

	Quote:	porsch1909
	This proposed general election. Tories want the 12th Dec but the SNP want the 9th. What's the big fuss over 3 days here? Feel I missed something

I think some lateral, thinking and reading between the lines necessary here. They essentially want to extend the time between the GE and end of the EU extension, as they believe otherwise BoJo et al will filibuster and fanny about so that we leave with no deal by default. Trying to make the best of a bad situation, I think.

Also, having lots of students being able to vote more easily is of course a no-brainer for the SNP (and presumably lib dems?).

You'll have to take this all with a pinch of salt though, my logic skills are apparently weak

Also, an increase in seats in Scotland and being dragged out of the EU by default on a No Deal is of course ideal fodder for the SNP - it's their best shot at Indy.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Says someone who was so cocksure that the 31 October was going to see the UK crash out with no deal.

Has the extension been accepted by the UK government yet?

Applied for my renewal EU residents card in Malta this morning

[fatmanfilms]

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	Also, an increase in seats in Scotland and being dragged out of the EU by default on a No Deal is of course ideal fodder for the SNP - it's their best shot at Indy.

Scotland's finances won't qualify for EU membership, how will they fudge that?

[Urs Max]

Can someone provide timelines for
- ordinary GE, called by the PM (requires ordinary MP majority I believe)
- snap elections due to sucessful no-confidence motion (requires 2/3 majority IIRC)
- additional causes for GE, if any

When will parliament go (be sent, perhaps) into hibernation and resume business, how much time to campaign in each case, etc?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Has the extension been accepted by the UK government yet?

You're a betting man. Where would you place the Volvo-proceeds on that decision, based on what we know so far?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Has the extension been accepted by the UK government yet?

Well since they have a law that demands Boris to accept the Extension I'd say they don't need to vote on wether or not they accept the extension.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Has the extension been accepted by the UK government yet?

Irrelevant, the Benn Act says he must accept - the House has already tacitly accepted.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Scotland's finances won't qualify for EU membership, how will they fudge that?

Probably politely ask for all that oil money to be backdated. Or perhaps stop offering English kids cheap tuition

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Scotland's finances won't qualify for EU membership, how will they fudge that?

It would place them mid-table on the EU member states 2018 GDP table.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Scotland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...European_Union

[fatmanfilms]

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	Probably politely ask for all that oil money to be backdated. Or perhaps stop offering English kids cheap tuition

Won't Scotland be expected to pay a huge divorce bill if they leave

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Can someone provide timelines for - ordinary GE, called by the PM (requires ordinary MP majority I believe) - snap elections due to sucessful no-confidence motion (requires 2/3 majority IIRC) - additional causes for GE, if any When will parliament go (be sent, perhaps) into hibernation and resume business, how much time to campaign in each case, etc?

Please see post #23928 on the previous page for some of the answers.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Won't Scotland be expected to pay a huge divorce bill if they leave

UK will have already paid that.

[John William]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Can someone provide timelines for - ordinary GE, called by the PM (requires ordinary MP majority I believe) - snap elections due to sucessful no-confidence motion (requires 2/3 majority IIRC) - additional causes for GE, if any When will parliament go (be sent, perhaps) into hibernation and resume business, how much time to campaign in each case, etc?

Well the way things are going, it shouldn't be long now before true blue Tories wrest control from the
hardline ERG Brexit junkies and the High Priest of Tory Eurosceptism, Jacob Rees-Mogg is consigned
to his Sarcophagus in the vaults of the Monday Club; never to woken from his cryrogenic sleep again
until the return of the British Empire.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Won't Scotland be expected to pay a huge divorce bill if they leave

Not sure what financial obligations Scotland has agreed with the Union. Perhaps they will just threaten not to pay it, like the lads down South want to do with the EU? No Deal could be doubly expensive for rUK

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	Not sure what financial obligations Scotland has agreed with the Union. Perhaps they will just threaten not to pay it, like the lads down South want to do with the EU? No Deal could be doubly expensive for rUK

I'd have thought if there was any money owing it would be more likely to be owed TO Scotland rather than BY Scotland.

... especially if Scotland chose to bill the rest of the former Union for the services of all those scientists, engineers and soldiers over the years...

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Please see post #23928 on the previous page for some of the answers.

Do you mean #23934?
Your thoughts there, or perhaps it's more the gaps between your dots, were instrumental in my realisation that I lack the knowledge to understand the reasons for all that back-and-forth. And that I'm probably very far from the only one.

Why for instance would 3) give BoJo the power to crash out anytime? The Benn Act still stands and binds the PM.

[autopoiesis]

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	Cancel it, go back to the drawing board, come up with a proper plan, then present it to the people in five years, ten years, however long it takes to do it properly.

You're an optimist: defining 'properly' will take >10yrs

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	Really, what a bunch of totally useless tossers the Tories have turned out to be.

Agree 100%, but few parliamentarians have come out not looking incompetent/treacherous/dishonest. Among the less-goofy: Caroline Lucas, Philip Hammond (possibly the only low-goof Tory), some Lib Dems, Ian Blackford and maybe a slack handful of others.


Corbyn is a joke, reduced to shenanigans no better than the Tories'. I used to think that - while not really being PM material - he made a serviceable leader of the Opposition (you know, poking in the right places, making a nuisance, etc).



In normal times, perhaps that would be true; but he's completely failed to step up to the plate regarding Brexit, and doesn't appear to have accomplished anything else, either.



What a massive lost opportunity.


At least Nigel Farage has been consistent...

Boris economics...

https://twitter.com/PointlessBrexit/...p-coins%2F2%2F

The best bit is the Brexity commemorative 50p piece cost a pound each to mint.

[John William]

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	Boris economics... https://twitter.com/PointlessBrexit/...p-coins%2F2%2F The best bit is the Brexity commemorative 50p piece cost a pound each to mint.

As for me I'm waiting for the Brexit commemorative stamps to come out which will feature Boris Johnson
dressed as Oliver Hardy ( from Laurel & Hardy ) with the motto 'Here's another fine mess you've got me in, Farage !!'