The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

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	Cancel it, go back to the drawing board, come up with a proper plan, then present it to the people in five years, ten years, however long it takes to do it properly.

But that would mean they'd...... have to make a plan on who to actually achieve it.... I mean they'd have to:

- Explain who you get Argentina and Russia to withdraw their objections to the UK 's trade schedules at the UN.
- Explain how you get as good a deal as the EU has with Canada or Japan when their trade agreement with the EU requires mutual agreement of both party to anyone else the same or a better deal
- By then most likely Aus, NZ and India will also have signed similar deals with the EU, so what to do there....
- Get an agreement with the US, without upsetting the congress

And so on.

I sorry to have to say DB, the sad truth is you don't seem to have a budding career in politics....

Wow, BoJo can't win a single vote in Parliament! No election on 12 December.

	Quote:	porsch1909
	This proposed general election. Tories want the 12th Dec but the SNP want the 9th. What's the big fuss over 3 days here? Feel I missed something

Bills become law only after 25 working days have passed. Guess how many working days there would be for Parliament before an election on 9 December... and 12 December...

The SNP and the Lib Dems are trying to prevent Boris' Brexit deal being approved before Parliament is dissolved for a General Election.

[3Wishes]

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	Wow, BoJo can't win a single vote in Parliament! No election on 12 December.

Oh come on, he won one vote :P followed immediately by another loss, but you can't win them all and whatnot.

I fail to see how a general election solves anything or moves things forward. If anything, it adds even more delay while parliament is dissolved instead of discussing and negotiating the details of Johnson's deal. Can't they just sit down and hash things out for once or will there never be any consensus?

[curley]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Oh come on, he won one vote :P followed immediately by another loss, but you can't win them all and whatnot. I fail to see how a general election solves anything or moves things forward. If anything, it adds even more delay while parliament is dissolved instead of discussing and negotiating the details of Johnson's deal. Can't they just sit down and hash things out for once or will there never be any consensus?

Ain't that the point?

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Oh come on, he won one vote :P followed immediately by another loss, but you can't win them all and whatnot. I fail to see how a general election solves anything or moves things forward. If anything, it adds even more delay while parliament is dissolved instead of discussing and negotiating the details of Johnson's deal. Can't they just sit down and hash things out for once or will there never be any consensus?

The theory/hope is that one party will gain a decisive majority and therefore a mandate to do whatever they promised to do, or at least whatever they feel like doing after they're elected into government. Each party would lay out their position on Brexit and most probably (for such a momentous decision) the electorate would vote for the candidates from the parties that match their wishes on Brexit. Or something.

[curley]

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	The theory/hope is that one party will gain a decisive majority and therefore a mandate to do whatever they promised to do, or at least whatever they feel like doing after they're elected into government. Each party would lay out their position on Brexit and most probably (for such a momentous decision) the electorate would vote for the candidates from the parties that match their wishes on Brexit. Or something.

Man, it sounded so good.
Until you went back to square one with the "or something".

	Quote:	curley
	Man, it sounded so good. Until you went back to square one with the "or something".

A lot of things about Brexit sound good until you get to the bottom of them.

[k_and_e]

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	Wow, BoJo can't win a single vote in Parliament! No election on 12 December.

Hey Tusk,

I made a typo in the extension request.
Should have been 2021.
Can you change it discreetly so that nobody notices?

Regards
BoJo

[Urs Max]

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	Bills become law only after 25 working days have passed. Guess how many working days there would be for Parliament before an election on 9 December... and 12 December... The SNP and the Lib Dems are trying to prevent Boris' Brexit deal being approved before Parliament is dissolved for a General Election.

Thank you, this is part of the timelines I was asking for earlier.

How does this work?

[marton]

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	The theory/hope is that one party will gain a decisive majority and therefore a mandate to do whatever they promised to do, or at least whatever they feel like doing after they're elected into government. Each party would lay out their position on Brexit and most probably (for such a momentous decision) the electorate would vote for the candidates from the parties that match their wishes on Brexit. Or something.

Except I am not sure how much the average voter has any interest in Brexit any more?
May tried to frame her snap election as a mandate on Brexit and that went down like a lead balloon.
According to the polls, as an example, interest in the Brexit party has halved since the heady times of the EU MEP election.

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	Bills become law only after 25 working days have passed. Guess how many working days there would be for Parliament before an election on 9 December... and 12 December... The SNP and the Lib Dems are trying to prevent Boris' Brexit deal being approved before Parliament is dissolved for a General Election.

Just checked what I wrote and I think I got it slightly wrong.

BBC News, which seems to have decided to reduce everything on its website to the lowest common denominator, explains it all in words of not much more than one syllable (or at least, paragraphs of one sentence):

	Quote:	BBC News
	Parliament has to be dissolved a minimum of 25 working days before the date of an election to allow sufficient preparations to take place. The government has said it will not try to resurrect the Withdrawal Agreement Bill - aimed at getting Mr Johnson's Brexit deal into law - before Parliament is dissolved for an election. This is designed to assuage the concerns of the SNP and Lib Dems - who want to fight the election on a platform of stopping Brexit entirely. But No 10 is currently holding firm on the 12 December date, arguing it would be very difficult for an election bill to pass through both the Commons and the Lords, and receive Royal Assent by 00:01 on Friday in order to meet the 9 December deadline.

[Blueangel]

Regarding this from your BBC quote...

'But No 10 is currently holding firm on the 12 December date, arguing it would be very difficult for an election bill to pass through both the Commons and the Lords, and receive Royal Assent by 00:01 on Friday in order to meet the 9 December deadline.'

The Queen is more than accustomed to staying up late in order to give Royal Assent, and has done so earlier this year, so it's all down to the Lords.

[Jim2007]

I could see this heading for the Supreme Court... the fixed terms act would most likely be considered part of the body of law making up the magical constitution in the UK since it defines the life of the sovereign parliament... and the government or the opposition for that matter cannot introduce a bill of a lower order that would circumvent the constitution... based on previous rulings it would first have to repeal the fixed terms act.... Oh Gina where are you?

[Blueangel]

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	Bills become law only after 25 working days have passed. Guess how many working days there would be for Parliament before an election on 9 December... and 12 December...

Just to flesh out your argument...

'Election showdown: Future of Brexit comes down to fight over three days'
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...-to-fight-over

[marton]

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	Just checked what I wrote and I think I got it slightly wrong. BBC News, which seems to have decided to reduce everything on its website to the lowest common denominator, explains it all in words of not much more than one syllable (or at least, paragraphs of one sentence):

If Boris plans to ignore the two-thirds majority required by the Fixed Term Parliament Act to call an election then why would he not try to ignore the 25 days to dissolve Parliament set by the Electoral Registration and Administration Act?

[John William]

	Quote:	marton
	If Boris plans to ignore the two-thirds majority required by the Fixed Term Parliament Act to call an election then why would he not try to ignore the 25 days to dissolve Parliament set by the Electoral Registration and Administration Act?

Because he would most likely end up in Court.

[John William]

Is Boris looking forward to his Brexit Christmas log jam with Parliament ?

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Operation Brock stood down due to the extension of Brexit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-50218276

Now you just have to put up with the "smart" motorway delays.

[autopoiesis]

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	The theory/hope is that one party will gain a decisive majority and therefore a mandate to do whatever they promised to do [...]

No, No, No!



Over the last 30+ years there has (IMHO) been very little appetite for selling off various national assets (BT, utilities, Post Office, etc), etc; however, this was done regardless, because successive governments claimed they had a 'mandate' when in fact they only got in power because the alternatives were so sh!te, and not because the specifics of their policies had broad/majority support.