The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Odile]

	Quote:	kriss kross
	What's with these sore losers? What would happen if you were able to get a second referendum and you lost again? Would you accept the decision or would you keep whinging for a third, or a fourth, until you got you way? Just accept the democratic decision, roll up your sleeves and get on with it FFS.

I'll do that as soon as Farage, Gove and BoJo ensure that their promises are turned into reality. I demand that 350 mio a week go immediately to the NHS- starting next week- as promised. Many people voted leave on that promise alone. With a vote SO close, they would be enough to tip the balance.

Even Farage said if the vote was that close HE would call for a second referendum.

Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Ohh a conspiracy theory! So they brought it down to change its code to remove any validations? Don't you think anyone who signed a petition would spot this immediately? And the IT department are on it too? lol It went down because hundreds of thousands tried to register at the same time and it couldn't handle it, that's all. Now it's up and the fake signatures continue.

Not that they brought it down to change the code, but that it crashed because every script kiddie in the land was having at it for all they were worth.


The IT department, Lol... "Sir, are you aware that this might be difficult to keep online, let alone secure?"..... "Yes Sir, I understand Sir"... "Click"..."Numpty!" tappety, tappety, tappety.

[michael149]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	I just registered as Donald Duck, voted and confirmed by email. Easy. Then I used the exact same name with the exact email and voted again. Same random postcode I found on the web, both times. That website is a complete joke, I can write a bot to register a million times in no time. No unique identifiers, not even common sense validation as same name in same address voting multiple times checks. A joke.

All right....well that is a joke....I sincerely apologise. Wll then they will just need to get on with the mess that they find themselves in....Good job I'm not living there anymore.....

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	kriss kross
	What's with these sore losers? What would happen if you were able to get a second referendum and you lost again? Would you accept the decision or would you keep whinging for a third, or a fourth, until you got you way? Just accept the democratic decision, roll up your sleeves and get on with it FFS.

Why not? It seems to work for Sturgeon.

Scottish Parliament can't veto the referendum - they have no say in the matter. Sturgeon spouting rubbish again. Even if the Scottish Parliament did try and block later legislation, once Article 50 is triggered the UK will be out of the EU in two years - with an agreement or without one. That's the way the Article works. If the EU/UK can't agree terms, then the UK will be out regardless.

What is Article 50 of the EU Treaty?

• In force since 2009 but never tested
• Allows governments to notify intent to leave. Talks then begin on a range of issues between the leaving nation and other EU members
• If no deal is reached, membership will automatically cease two years after notification
• The article is only a basic template for leaving, settling the date and some other matters. It does not automatically include issues such as movement of people or trade. The latter could take years to conclude

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36632579

SNPs in UK Parliament will obviously vote no, but it'll depend on how many other MPs try and thwart the will of the UK people.

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	michael149
	Britain needs Your signature! As some of you may be aware, there is a petition to trigger a 2nd Referendum on EU membership. I urge those of you interested to add your signature. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

That's a joke, right?

[manwithnoname]

	Quote:	Odile
	I'll do that as soon as Farage, Gove and BoJo ensure that their promises are turned into reality. I demand that 350 mio a week go immediately to the NHS- starting next week- as promised. Many people voted leave on that promise alone. With a vote SO close, they would be enough to tip the balance. Even Farage said if the vote was that close HE would call for a second referendum. Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?

on the other hand... https://twitter.com/david_cameron/st...62392131997697

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	Do you think that might have anything to do with the fact that it was down on Friday?

No, most certainly due to the rainy weather

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	marton
	Thanks Odile We seem to be in a strange time at the moment! My expectation was that the "Leavers" would be wildly celebrating, there would be a lot of pressure to quickly move into the brave new world outside the EU. Instead it is relatively quiet, the influential Leave voices are saying things like; "go slow", "informal negotiations first", " no need to plunge into tabling article 50 now". I did support Remain but the vote is over so let us get on with leaving; I do not want uncertainty to continue.

As predicted, A50 was not invoked on the day of the vote as some of the Bremoaners claimed.

I expect there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but first there is an internal power struggle to be resolved. Farage is already being side-lined and the battle for the PM job is still to come.

Only after that and internal discussions take place will the UK be in a position to have even the first informal discussions.

I expect several people in the civil service to be quite busy over the coming weeks, months and years...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	kriss kross
	What's with these sore losers? What would happen if you were able to get a second referendum and you lost again? Would you accept the decision or would you keep whinging for a third, or a fourth, until you got you way? Just accept the democratic decision, roll up your sleeves and get on with it FFS.

Really???

	Quote:	marton
	Some British newspapers claim Healey is a Leave campaigner who started the petition because he thought Remain would win, now he is desperately try to de-link himself. You could not make up stuff like this!! Source

	Quote:
	De Montfort University activist William Oliver Healey submitted the petition on May 25 in the hope it would help the fight for a Brexit if Vote Remain won the referendum by a narrow margin, by triggering a second referendum. But the English Democrat activist from Telford's petition drew little interest…that is until Friday when the Brexit victory was announced, and it now appears to have backfired.

You reap what you sow.

[pilatus1]

The second referendum petition is a farce.

Why not start a petition that proposes a 'best of 3' referenda series, or just to settle things the old fashioned way with a quick game of paper, rock, scissors?

[porsch1909]

Farrage supposedly promising 350 mio to the NHS is a bit of a joke now. Anyone who believed farrage when or if he said that is a complete moron.

farrage isn't an elected MP, he wasn't even officially associated with the leave campaign and just did his own thing. He has no control over any funds and even if he is an MP in the future he won't be part of government.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	michael149
	Oh, I am in agreement with you that the Remain campaign did not focus on the positives. Plus the problem was that Remain was too smug and complacent. It was theirs to lose.

Are you aware that most of the British public are only just realising that there were multiple Leave and Remain campaigns? I knew, but a lot of the friends I spoke to hadn't realised until a few weeks ago, and some people are only just realising as each leading member of the Leave campaign is being asked about their promises, and responding with...that's not the campaign I was a part of. My campaign didn't promise that.

	Quote:	Odile
	Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?

Their nannies are busy with the sudocrem and Johnson's baby powder, and industrial strength Imodium, because the poor little mites haven't stopped pooping themselves since.

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	pilatus1
	The second referendum petition is a farce. Why not start a petition that proposes a 'best of 3' referenda series, or just to settle things the old fashioned way with a quick game of paper, rock, scissors?

I submit that the first order of business would be to reinstate the Riot Act (repealed on 18 July 1973... can't blame THAT on the EU), as there is good reason to suspect that there may well be a bit of unrest in the near future.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Why not? It seems to work for Sturgeon. Scottish Parliament can't veto the referendum - they have no say in the matter. Sturgeon spouting rubbish again. SNPs in UK Parliament will obviously vote no, but it'll depend on how many other MPs try and thwart the will of the UK people.

Her strategy is to alianate the English and Welsh with the NI and the Scots to secure Scotland's departure from the UK. This is the very ugly side of politics and very devisive. What an awful thing to do.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	Farrage supposedly promising 350 mio to the NHS is a bit of a joke now. Anyone who believe farrage when or if he said that is a complete moron. farrage isn't an elected MP, he wasn't even officially associated with the leave campaign and just did his own thing. He has no control over any funds and even if he is an MP in the future he won't be part of government.

IDS has backed down from it too now. What a slimey, f****** c*** he is.

The ad they ran before the news last Sunday is the cause of the my only ever complaint to Ofcom.

	Quote:
	A similar message was emblazoned on the camp's bus: "We send the EU £350 million a week - let's fund our NHS instead." But the former secretary of state for work and pensions said: "I never said that during the course of the election."

http://news.sky.com/story/1717826/ba...-money-promise

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	IDS has backed down from it too now. What a slimey, f****** c*** he is. The ad they ran before the news last Sunday is the cause of the my only ever complaint to Ofcom. http://news.sky.com/story/1717826/ba...-money-promise

Where does it say on the bus, lets give all 350 million to the NHS instead?

[marton]

	Quote:	Odile
	Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?

	Quote:	porsch1909
	Farrage supposedly promising 350 mio to the NHS is a bit of a joke now. Anyone who believe farrage when or if he said that is a complete moron. farrage isn't an elected MP, he wasn't even officially associated with the leave campaign and just did his own thing. He has no control over any funds and even if he is an MP in the future he won't be part of government.

Farage is alive and well!
Nigel Farage says Britain heading for recession 'regardless of Brexit'
Oh well, so long as nothing to do with Brexit then it is OK

Source

On the topic of irony; from a Guardian Comment page "Reasons to vote leave - regularly hearing a foreign language in Lidls" In Lidl!!, cor blimey missus what a scandal
Whatever next! Those crafty Americans will buy Ford!

[Phil_MCR]

to be honest, i never understood that 350m would be all put to the NHS instead, but then I can see how someone might believe that.

likewise, i'm sure somebody will complain that they are not going to build a new hospital every week with the money.

[Phil_MCR]

but his handling shows how he is a terrible politician.

if he were more cameron-like he would have said something like: "yes, i can promise it will all be spent in the UK for the good of the UK, on the NHS, on schools, on whatever the UK needs"

[marton]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	As predicted, A50 was not invoked on the day of the vote as some of the Bremoaners claimed. I expect there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but first there is an internal power struggle to be resolved. Farage is already being side-lined and the battle for the PM job is still to come. Only after that and internal discussions take place will the UK be in a position to have even the first informal discussions. I expect several people in the civil service to be quite busy over the coming weeks, months and years...

All reasonable and logical stuff but most people are not reasonable and logical.
I still do not understand why the people who voted "Leave" are not stamping their feet and demanding visible progress.
Why are they happy to wait for the benefits that they voted for, nobody even publishes how long they will have to wait?