The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 1201

fatmanfilms · #**24001** 29.10.2019, 16:42

	Quote:	marton
	The age of consent (the legal age to have sex) in the UK is 16 years old.

Indeed, 17 year old children can drive cars, therefore easy to have sex away from their parents home

#**24002** 29.10.2019, 16:44

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	16 and 17 year olds are legally defined as children. They can't buy alcohol, they can't buy cigarettes as they are children. I don't believe children should be allowed to vote. There is no bottom up campaign from 16 and 17 year olds to be allowed to vote. This push is coming from adults who believe 16 and 17 year olds are malleable and easily impressionable, which they are. Most children are not emotionally developed enough to be able to form coherent arguments on complex subjects and tend reduce them to a morally based black or white fallacy. For proof of this look no further than the worlds most famous 16 year old, Greta Thunberg.

FMF left school at 15 and was contributing more tax by his 16th birthday than you've ever paid into the system. Why shouldn't he have got a vote?

You can also join the army at 16, or any number of other workplaces - why should people be able to work but have no say on how that work treats them?

John William · #**24003** 29.10.2019, 16:45

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Indeed, 17 year old children can drive cars, therefore easy to have sex away from their parents home

And be accused and charged for Pedophilia at the same time !!

#**24004** 29.10.2019, 16:48

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	16 and 17 year olds are legally defined as children. They can't buy alcohol, they can't buy cigarettes as they are children. I don't believe children should be allowed to vote. There is no bottom up campaign from 16 and 17 year olds to be allowed to vote. This push is coming from adults who believe 16 and 17 year olds are malleable and easily impressionable, which they are. Most children are not emotionally developed enough to be able to form coherent arguments on complex subjects and tend reduce them to a morally based black or white fallacy. For proof of this look no further than the worlds most famous 16 year old, Greta Thunberg.

She got world leaders flapping to the extent of losing all their dignity and dropping their pants on Twitter. She must have done something right...

It's rubbish that 16 and 17 year olds aren't informed enough to vote. Many are vastly more knowledgeable about world events than their baby boomer counterparts.

They are legally old enough to leave school, work, marry, have kids and pay taxes. Saying they can't have a vote about a world they contribute to is frankly laughable and shines a huge spotlight on the fragility of some people's politics.

TonyClifton · #**24005** 29.10.2019, 16:49

	Quote:	marton
	The age of consent (the legal age to have sex) in the UK is 16 years old.

The age of consent in Germany is 14. Should 14 year olds get the vote?

#**24006** 29.10.2019, 16:51

	Quote:
	...They are legally old enough to leave school, work, marry, have kids and pay taxes. Saying they can't have a vote about a world they contribute to is frankly laughable and shines a huge spotlight on the fragility of some people's politics.

Specifically in the UK they're old enough to join the military. Shouldn't that be a sign they're also capable of voting?

fatmanfilms · #**24007** 29.10.2019, 16:53

	Quote:
	FMF left school at 15 and was contributing more tax by his 16th birthday than you've ever paid into the system. Why shouldn't he have got a vote? You can also join the army at 16, or any number of other workplaces - why should people be able to work but have no say on how that work treats them?

It was a legal requirement to stay at school till 16. There rest of the first paragraph is also nonsense as you know.

Perhaps only people who work or have worked get the chance to vote

fatmanfilms · #**24008** 29.10.2019, 16:54

	Quote:
	Specifically in the UK they're old enough to join the military. Shouldn't that be a sign they're also capable of voting?

In the army at 16 there is no requirement to think, just follow orders, so no sign that they re capable of voting.

Belgianmum · #**24009** 29.10.2019, 16:54

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It was a legal requirement to stay at school till 16. There rest of the first paragraph is also nonsense as you know. Perhaps only people who work or have worked get the chance to vote

My brother was only 15 when he left school and started his apprenticeship.

#**24010** 29.10.2019, 16:55

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	In the army at 16 there is no requirement to think, just follow orders, so no sign that they re capable of voting.

They have to be capable of deciding to go into the army in the first place.

Belgianmum · #**24011** 29.10.2019, 16:57

	Quote:	John William
	And be accused and charged for Pedophilia at the same time !!

Why would they be accused of paedophilia if they were both over the legal age of consent?

17 year olds are legally permitted to have sex in the U.K.

fatmanfilms · #**24012** 29.10.2019, 16:57

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	My brother was only 15 when he left school and started his apprenticeship.

The change was implemented in 1972, when I was 10

#**24013** 29.10.2019, 16:58

	Quote:
	They have to be capable of deciding to go into the army in the first place.

...and whether the government under which they serve is likely to put them into a pointless conflict and simultaneously filet the defence budget.

Belgianmum · #**24014** 29.10.2019, 17:00

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The change was implemented in 1972, when I was 10

My brother was 7 in 1972.

Ato · #**24015** 29.10.2019, 17:01

Maybe it should only open to property owners who own a morning suit and silver topped cane?

16 year olds are emancipated and are therefore legally responsible for themselves from that point. Don't see why giving them a vote is such a terrible thing.
Although the Labour proposal seems to be for 16-18 year old and all EU citizens with settled status. I see this being debated down to 17 year olds of UK+NI and ROI+Commonwealth.

fatmanfilms · #**24016** 29.10.2019, 17:02

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	My brother was 7 in 1972.

Who was the apprenticeship with?

#**24017** 29.10.2019, 17:02

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Why would they be accused of paedophilia if they were both over the legal age of consent? 17 year olds are legally permitted to have sex in the U.K.

No point arguing with a bot.

Belgianmum · #**24018** 29.10.2019, 17:02

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Who was the apprenticeship with?

Yorkshire Water.

What difference does it make?

#**24019** 29.10.2019, 17:04

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	It was a legal requirement to stay at school till 16. There rest of the first paragraph is also nonsense as you know.

The last paragraph may not be true in your case, but could quite conceivably be true if someone inherited money, got a stake in a sold family business etc etc.

TonyClifton · #**24020** 29.10.2019, 17:08

	Quote:
	Ah. You mean they disagree with you. A quick google shows 10 countries already have voting from age 16. And as for the push coming from adults...again a qucik google shows this claim to be well up to your usual standards of inaccuracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votes_at_16

The website in your Wikipedia link lists 4290 supporters, that’s hardly the women’s suffrage movement.