The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The website in your Wikipedia link lists 4290 supporters, that’s hardly the women’s suffrage movement.

This is largely supporting ORGANISATIONS, not individuals. Add up the number of supporters each of those organisations has and you might see a slightly different picture.

Youth wings of Labour, Libs, Greens, PC and Scot Nats, NUS, .....

	Quote:	autopoiesis
	No, No, No! Over the last 30+ years there has (IMHO) been very little appetite for selling off various national assets (BT, utilities, Post Office, etc), etc; however, this was done regardless, because successive governments claimed they had a 'mandate' when in fact they only got in power because the alternatives were so sh!te, and not because the specifics of their policies had broad/majority support.

Indeed. Did you notice I started my explanation with "The theory/hope"? I could have added "hallucination" and/or "wet dream", but I thought my disdain for the whole concept was sufficiently evident as it was.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Yorkshire Water. What difference does it make?

I was under the impression it was illegal to leave school before age 16 when I was 15 in the UK.
Yorkshire Water belonged to the government at the time, so possibly there were some different rules.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I was under the impression it was illegal to leave school before age 16 when I was 15 in the UK. Yorkshire Water belonged to the government at the time, so possibly there were some different rules.

It's the academic year that counts: 16 by the end of the summer.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Those no's are now 0208 340 / 0208 348.

Actually they're not. Those London phone numbers are 020 8340... / 020 8348... London has only one area code, which is 020. The 8-digit phone numbers starting with 7 or 8 (at the start of the roll-out of the new numbers) were just that, phone numbers, preceded by the area code 020.

Most Londoners, let alone other people, get that wrong, thanks to the misguided billboard ads of the time telling people to add 020 and 7 (or 8, for those in far-flung regions of the metropolis ) to their existing number, which of course was seen as "add 0207 (or 0208)".

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The age of consent in Germany is 14. Should 14 year olds get the vote?

The Labour proposal seems to be for 16-18 year olds.
Where do you get 14 from? Which political party is proposing that?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	The Labour proposal seems to be for 16-18 year olds. Where do you get 14 from? Which political party is proposing that?

Slow down there buckaroo, the point is that age of consent (which you brought up) has no bearing on being an adult.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I was under the impression it was illegal to leave school before age 16 when I was 15 in the UK. Yorkshire Water belonged to the government at the time, so possibly there were some different rules.

I don’t think so, he could have started any one of the four he was offered and the others were all private companies.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Slow down there buckaroo, the point is that age of consent (which you brought up) has no bearing on being an adult.

Whereas "they can't buy alcohol, they can't buy cigarettes" which you brought up does have a bearing on being an adult.

[marton]

The farce continues

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	PM restores the Conservative whip to ten of the 21 Tory rebels: Alistair Burt, Caroline Nokes, Greg Clark, Nick Soames, Ed Vaizey, Margot James, Stephen Hammond, Steve Brine, Richard Harrington, Richard Benyon

What, if anything, happens to the 11 still in the naughty corner is not known.

Did we ever have such an openly devious PM who reverses his position as the political wind changes?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	Whereas "they can't buy alcohol, they can't buy cigarettes" which you brought up does have a bearing on being an adult.

In the UK, yes it does.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	In the UK, yes it does.

Please do feel free to explain how smoking and drinking makes one a competent voter!

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	marton
	The farce continues What, if anything, happens to the 11 still in the naughty corner is not known. Did we ever have such an openly devious PM who reverses his position as the political wind changes?

If they have any integrity at all, shouldn't those who have had the whip restored walk away and become independents (again)? How can they support such a government?

[marton]

Vote for election 438 - 20, what a difference a day (week) makes

So it looks almost certain that there will be a General Election on 12 December (Lords permitting. And the Queen, technically). And once again, some UK citizens (looks in mirror) will be disenfranchised. While debate rages about whether to permit randy, non-smoking, teetotal 16-year-olds to vote, expatriate citizens who left the UK >15 years ago are still barred from registering to vote (or indeed from voting at all, as far as I'm aware).

If you're one of those 1st class UK citizens who are allowed to vote in UK elections, make sure you register now via the link above and take part in this once-in-a-generation-if-a-generation-is-less-than-three-years opportunity to shape the future of the United Kingdom, or whatever will be left of it after all this is over.

[Jim2007]

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	So it looks almost certain that there will be a General Election on 12 December (Lords permitting. And the Queen, technically). And once again, some UK citizens (looks in mirror) will be disenfranchised. While debate rages about whether to permit randy, non-smoking, teetotal 16-year-olds to vote, expatriate citizens who left the UK >15 years ago are still barred from registering to vote (or indeed from voting at all, as far as I'm aware). If you're one of those 1st class UK citizens who are allowed to vote in UK elections, make sure you register now via the link above and take part in this once-in-a-generation-if-a-generation-is-less-than-three-years opportunity to shape the future of the United Kingdom, or whatever will be left of it after all this is over.

Why should people who have not lived in the country for over 15 years feel they have a right to dictate to those who actually live in the country day in and day out who they have to live? After 15 years you’ve made your choice.

I lost the right to vote in Irish elections after 12 months and I’ve never felt I should have a right to decide how they live over there, just because I might return some day. As far as I’m concerned they are the ones that live there so they should decide how the country is run.

[Aeneas]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Why should people who have not lived in the country for over 15 years feel they have a right to dictate to those who actually live in the country day in and day out who they have to live? After 15 years you’ve made your choice.

And if citizenship alone were the only criteria for voting, imagine the number of eligible voters in the UK and US who would have never set foot in Ireland.

The whole idea is probably just a Trojan horse attempt to introduce expat taxation, if you ask me.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	Please do feel free to explain how smoking and drinking makes one a competent voter!

Stop getting ahead of yourself. I’ve never come close to suggesting that.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Stop getting ahead of yourself. I’ve never come close to suggesting that.

You mean apart from this post yesterday?

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	16 and 17 year olds are legally defined as children. They can't buy alcohol, they can't buy cigarettes as they are children. I don't believe children should be allowed to vote.....

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:
	You mean apart from this post yesterday?

Thank you, yes exactly what I wrote there. If you construe that as meaning smoking and drinking make more competent voters then there is little to be done to help you.