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#**24061** 31.10.2019, 13:25

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	Happy Brexit day...

Where is the ditch I'll find Boris dead in?

#**24062** 31.10.2019, 13:36

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	So only the children who actually work should get the vote at 16, the ones who's brains are still sucking up knowledge should wait

You're making no sense. At all.

curley · #**24063** 31.10.2019, 14:17

Bercow left and nobody mentioned this?

Or did I not see it.

#**24064** 31.10.2019, 14:19

	Quote:	curley
	Bercow left and nobody mentioned this? Or did I not see it.

The latter, I think...

3Wishes · #**24065** 31.10.2019, 14:27

	Quote:	curley
	Bercow left and nobody mentioned this? Or did I not see it.

He had announced some time ago that he'd step down at the close of business on 31st October. Kind of a shame, he makes watching the parliamentary debates WAY more fun.

Blueangel · #**24066** 31.10.2019, 14:32

	Quote:	curley
	Bercow left and nobody mentioned this? Or did I not see it.

More to the point, Father of the House (longest serving MP in the House of Commons) Ken Clarke is leaving and only Bercow saw fit to mention it. Says a lot for the calibre of the PM.

#**24067** 31.10.2019, 14:39

	Quote:	Blueangel
	More to the point, Father of the House (longest serving MP in the House of Commons) Ken Clarke is leaving and only Bercow saw fit to mention it. Says a lot for the calibre of the PM.

I've said it before, will say it again, Boris is a despicable human. Also a major tool. And not a useful one.

#**24068** 31.10.2019, 14:42

	Quote:	curley
	Bercow left and nobody mentioned this? Or did I not see it.

Bercow mentioned it in the House a few weeks ago... quite an emotional speech. He timed his departure to make sure that Brexit would go through without issues that (he felt) a Speaker other than him wouldn't be able to deal with. So even he thought we'd have a Hallowe'en Brexit.

He should have known that the government wouldn't get its ducks in ORRRRRRDAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

#**24069** 31.10.2019, 14:44

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	I've said it before, will say it again, Boris is a despicable human. Also a major tool. And not a useful one.

Jess Phillips took a swipe at him...

https://www.indy100.com/article/jess...ildren-9177866

#**24070** 31.10.2019, 15:19

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	Bercow mentioned it in the House a few weeks ago... quite an emotional speech. He timed his departure to make sure that Brexit would go through without issues that (he felt) a Speaker other than him wouldn't be able to deal with. So even he thought we'd have a Hallowe'en Brexit. He should have known that the government wouldn't get its ducks in ORRRRRRDAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Would love to hear him call the cat in at night

Guess what they have called it?

3Wishes · #**24071** 31.10.2019, 15:25

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	I've said it before, will say it again, Boris is a despicable human. Also a major tool. And not a useful one.

And yet I have the impression people hate Corbyn even more, so it's quite possible the Conservatives/Johnson will not only maintain power, but perhaps pick up enough seats to push through a no deal Brexit after the election.

It sucks when your options as a voter are "really terrible" vs "slightly less terrible".

#**24072** 31.10.2019, 15:39

	Quote:	3Wishes
	And yet I have the impression people hate Corbyn even more, so it's quite possible the Conservatives/Johnson will not only maintain power, but perhaps pick up enough seats to push through a no deal Brexit after the election.

I think this is a bit of a media confection, getting the Pavlovian juices of Middle England flowing with the constant baseless accusations of being a terrorist (/terrorist sympathizer), anti-Semite, Commie who wants to rule over us like Stalin; when the reality is he probably just wants a few more workers' rights, a bit more wealth distribution and a bit more social mobility.

curley · #**24073** 31.10.2019, 15:52

I meant nobody mentioned it on here.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	He had announced some time ago that he'd step down at the close of business on 31st October. Kind of a shame, he makes watching the parliamentary debates WAY more fun.

My thought entirely. I immediately realized I won't be able to stand an other minute watching them ...... doing what exactly?!

k_and_e · #**24074** 31.10.2019, 16:02

	Quote:	3Wishes
	And yet I have the impression people hate Corbyn even more, so it's quite possible the Conservatives/Johnson will not only maintain power, but perhaps pick up enough seats to push through a no deal Brexit after the election. It sucks when your options as a voter are "really terrible" vs "slightly less terrible".

Reminds me of the US. Main difference is that the UK at least have candidates in an age which kind of guarantees that they survive the term.

curley · #**24075** 31.10.2019, 16:04

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Reminds me of the US. Main difference is that the UK at least have candidates in an age which kind of guarantees that they survive the term.

But - is that an advantage?

#**24076** 31.10.2019, 16:09

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Reminds me of the US. Main difference is that the UK at least have candidates in an age which kind of guarantees that they survive the term.

Who knows how long a term is these days though! We seem to have an election fetish at the moment.

k_and_e · #**24077** 31.10.2019, 16:20

	Quote:	curley
	But - is that an advantage?

So you basically vote for the best vice president...

3Wishes · #**24078** 31.10.2019, 16:30

	Quote:	curley
	I meant nobody mentioned it on here.

Sure, Blueangel did back in post #22227 (emphasis mine):

	Quote:	Blueangel
	As expected and hoped for... https://news.sky.com/story/live-john...ction-11805412 Edit: And Bercow is standing down as Speaker!

Not that I blame you or anyone else for not remembering something a few thousand posts back.

Blueangel · #**24079** 31.10.2019, 16:31

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	There isn’t a single scientist in the Shadow Cabinet either.... ... In fact if you look across the House of Commons I would confidently estimate that less than 10% of MPs hold science, technology or engineering degrees.

Can't believe you missed Valerie Vaz out of your assumption...

Valerie Vaz - Shadow Leader of the House - B.Sc. (Hons) Biochemistry

Dan Carden - B.Sc. International Relations
Tony Lloyd - B.Sc. Maths

My party only has 19 MPs, but of those, no less than 9 fit your parameters:
Heidi Allen - B.Sc. degree in astrophysics
Jo Swinson - first-class Bachelor of Science degree in Management
Jamie Stone - History and Geology
Layla Moran - B.Sc. Physics. Was a maths and physics teacher at the International School of Brussels
Dr. Phillip Lee - B.Sc. Human Biology and Biological Anthropology. Went on to study medicine
Ed Davey - M.Sc. Economics
Vince Cable - PhD degree in Economics
Tom Brake - BSc in Physics
Dr. Sarah Wollaston - B.Sc. Medicine

You really are adverse to facts, aren't you?

Blueangel · #**24080** 31.10.2019, 16:43

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	I think this is a bit of a media confection, getting the Pavlovian juices of Middle England flowing with the constant baseless accusations of being a terrorist (/terrorist sympathizer), anti-Semite, Commie who wants to rule over us like Stalin; when the reality is he probably just wants a few more workers' rights, a bit more wealth distribution and a bit more social mobility.

I'm most definitely not middle-England, but I'm old enough to remember the many dubious decisions he made in the 80s and early 90s. Mo Mowlam got the tone right when dealing with the IRA. Corbyn definitely didn't. The accusations were not baseless and I remember them at the time. I don't doubt he had better intentions than are commonly portrayed, but his judgement, timing and actions were nothing short of horrendous. He was also firmly linked to the SWP who were the bane of every union rep in the country who had to fight off their illegal flying pickets, in my case, literally fight them off. Add to that his actions in the coup attempt against Kinnock which consigned the UK to a further 9yrs of Tory rule... Nah. I had a belly full of him 30yrs ago and he hasn't matured with age.