The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Blueangel
	The Tory gov position on the IRA was a complicated one. There were long running secret talks between the two with the aim of ending hostilities. You could argue that the likes of Corbyn and his grandstanding repeatedly exasperated those talks. Let's just say...I'm minding my language and biting my tongue a hell of a lot in this post. When he's right (in the House), I'll say he's right. Other than that, you'll probably never get a good word about him out of me. The majority of Labour MPs are good, decent people and I'll happily listen to them all day, just not him. As for NI, a lot of the move towards peace came from incredibly brave people such as Betty Williams and Mairead Corrigan and their Women for Peace movement. Those people, along with Mo Mowlam, are heroes, not the likes of Corbyn.

That Tory government position on Terrorism was an interesting one indeed. They were the ones who branded Nelson Mandela a terrorist, right?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	MP's are supposed to do what their electorate asked them to do

Are you deliberately misrepresenting Representative Democracy or are you unsure what it is?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Why? Do you not find it sloppy work to not tie up all the loose ends of an amendment to an International Treaty?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	He's just diverting from the real news that's going on, such as the PM has yet to formally complete the acceptance of the EU extension to Article 50 because he's playing silly beggars again. All very childish and sloppy.

You were being patronising calling me saying "All very childish & sloppy."

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Since the current set of MP's are clearly unable to honour the result of the referendum in the event leave wins, a change of MP's is required. MP's are supposed to do what their electorate asked them to do, both major parties said they would uphold the result of the referendum & have failed to do as promised. Not clear if the electorate is clever enough to have noticed or not, we will see when the votes are counted? Why are you so worried about having a general election?

Years of expensive education and you do not understand Parliamentary Democracy?

An election now is a waste of time and dangerously mixes Brexit and other issues.

Why are you so afraid of a Referendum on the current Deal and Remain?

Happy Halloween from Jacob Rees-Mogg.

How does this work?

There is a report on Russian interference in the 2016 ref which was given to BJ on 17th which he was supposed to sign off for publication on 28th but he hasn't. Laura K has retweeted it so I have to assume it is true.

We must insist this is published, in full - write to your MP and to the Press until he does. If he refuses, then we will just have to come to own conclusions, and vote accordingly.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You were being patronising calling me saying "All very childish & sloppy."

I was calling the actions/inactions of the PM childish and sloppy. His tack is to not do things, like signing letters and tying up loose ends. If you took that personally then you misread as I have no idea if you're sloppy.

[marton]

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	Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal would prevent the U.K. from striking a trade agreement with the U.S., Donald Trump said. Speaking to Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage on LBC radio, the U.S. president said: “To be honest with you, this deal, under certain aspects of the deal, you can’t do it. You can’t trade. We can’t make a trade deal with the U.K.”

Source

Pop goes a major Boris selling point!

[fatmanfilms]

Tax avoidance in the UK, will it ever stop

https://www.thinkinghumanity.com/201...I_IwY_DYmF98_Y

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Source Pop goes a major Boris selling point!

And you think Trump knows what he is talking about.....

The UK can do trade deals under the agreement although NI would be complicated for the US.

But it really does not matter because Trump does not get to make the deal. That is up to Granny Nancy in the end.

(The US/Canada/Mexico deal is still pending ratification and probably is not going to happen!!!)

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Tax avoidance in the UK, will it ever stop

What on earth are you prattling on about?

[marton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And you think Trump knows what he is talking about..... The UK can do trade deals under the agreement although NI would be complicated for the US. But it really does not matter because Trump does not get to make the deal. That is up to Granny Nancy in the end. (The US/Canada/Mexico deal is still pending ratification and probably is not going to happen!!!)

Not relevant!
Trump said Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal would prevent the U.K. from striking a trade agreement with the U.S.

So it pops a major Boris selling point regardless of how true Trump's statement is.
Boris was selling the idea of a trade agreement with the U.S. regardless of the Granny Nancy reality.
The latest looks like the US/Canada/Mexico deal might happen after Nancy has screwed some unrelated concessions out of Trump.

[keyboardandmouse]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	What on earth are you prattling on about?

Big donations to charity are tax offsettable, so are popular vehichles for people who need to lower their tax bill in a way that makes everyone love them just a little bit more.

dont know if its the case here, but its a well known practice.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	What on earth are you prattling on about?

George Osborne was going to limit tax relief for gifts to charities in 2012 to £50,000 or 25% of income, however the charities were not happy se he did a U turn.

That donation is fully tax deductible in the U.K. so JKR will have reduced her personal tax bill by approx £6,850,000 depending on exchange rate at the time.

It's how the rich go on tax strike, by donating 110% of their income to charity. Very normal if under investigation for any length of time as paying too little tax can result in massive penalties & interest.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	George Osborne was going to limit tax relief for gifts to charities in 2012 to £50,000 or 25% of income, however the charities were not happy se he did a U turn. That donation is fully tax deductible in the U.K. so JKR will have reduced her personal tac bill by approx £6,850,000 depending on exchange rate at the time. It's how the rich go on tax strike, by donating 110% of their income to charity. Very normal if under investigation for any length of time as paying too little tax can result in massive penalties & interest.

and the relevance to Brexit is....?

Giving to charity is hardly on the same level as squirreling wealth away in an impenetrable network of offshore trusts and shell companies though, is it?

She won’t see the donated money again, will she? Can’t say the same for those that hide it away for later.

Or is that not the point you are trying to make?

[grumpygrapefruit]

For a Little Light Relief, have 30 minutes of Little Brexit.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0009t5q

[fatmanfilms]

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	Giving to charity is hardly on the same level as squirreling wealth away in an impenetrable network of offshore trusts and shell companies though, is it? She won’t see the donated money again, will she? Can’t say the same for those that hide it away for later. Or is that not the point you are trying to make?

A network of trusts is unlikely to reduce tax liability, it's about asset protection.

You can't take the money out of the trust & get it back, it no longer belongs to the settlor or is in their control.

Giving to charity reduced tax liability, EU will ban such nonsense with their strict tax laws that start 1 January 2019.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	A network of trusts is unlikely to reduce tax liability, it's about asset protection. You can't take the money out of the trust & get it back, it no longer belongs to the settlor or is in their control. Giving to charity reduced tax liability, EU will ban such nonsense with their strict tax laws that start 1 January 2019.

What are people with offshore wealth protecting it from?

[fatmanfilms]

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	What are people with offshore wealth protecting it from?

Divorce & spendthrift family members.

If huge sums of money are left directly to the children most will get spent with little to pass on to the next generation.

It's the same with lottery winners, they blow the money very quickly,