The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 121

#**2401** 26.06.2016, 14:57

Snork.

Second EU referendum petition investigated for fraud

ZuriRollt · #**2402** 26.06.2016, 14:58

	Quote:	marton
	All reasonable and logical stuff but most people are not reasonable and logical. I still do not understand why the people who voted "Leave" are not stamping their feet and demanding visible progress. Why are they happy to wait for the benefits that they voted for, nobody even publishes how long they will have to wait?

Because it's UK / England ???

porsch1909 · #**2403** 26.06.2016, 14:59

Labour party is crumbling as well. Interesting time for British politics for sure.

Scarily accurate article written by Clegg the day before the referendum.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/...ke-vote-leave/

#**2404** 26.06.2016, 15:00

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	to be honest, i never understood that 350m would be all put to the NHS instead, but then I can see how someone might believe that. likewise, i'm sure somebody will complain that they are not going to build a new hospital every week with the money.

Was it not what was clearly painted on the side of the Leave campaign bus and posters- no ifs, no buts- did you not see the bus, or the posters:

Did you watch I. Duncan-Smith squirm on the Andrew Marr show this morning?

Chuff · #**2405** 26.06.2016, 15:02

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	to be honest, i never understood that 350m would be all put to the NHS instead, but then I can see how someone might believe that. likewise, i'm sure somebody will complain that they are not going to build a new hospital every week with the money.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	IDS has backed down from it too now. What a slimey, f**** c* he is. The ad they ran before the news last Sunday is the cause of the my only ever complaint to Ofcom. http://news.sky.com/story/1717826/ba...-money-promise

The 350m was a statistic plucked from the total number we pay out before rebates. It was hastily taken and fact-checked. Their bad.

Regardless of what with hindsight and more digging true amount is now, the message was that they want to use the money for struggling areas of the UK services. They also did not say it 'all' would go to the NHS.

#**2406** 26.06.2016, 15:04

Please can someone post a photo of the Leave Campaign bus- with Boris.

Where does it say that Richdog? Now you and I possible realised it was a total lie- many people who voted leave actually believed it, and voted accordingly (yes, I know

).

No other business would be allowed to make such claims in advertising and get away with it. The kind of Malboro adverts we had about fags making you good-looking, sexy, healthy and extremely good at sport. Where is the Trades Description Act here?

porsch1909 · #**2407** 26.06.2016, 15:06

	Quote:
	Was it not what was clearly painted on the side of the Leave campaign bus and posters- no ifs, no buts- did you not see the bus, or the posters:

No. It is quite clear in the poster with BoJo. Who WAS officially a member of the leave campaign. Farrage was NOT an official member of the leave campaign. You can't just take the word of some random campaigner as fact.

Next General election I'm going to campaign for a new hospital to be built every day. Doesn't mean it's reasonable or it's going to happen.

fatmanfilms · #**2408** 26.06.2016, 15:11

17,410,742 devided by 16,141,241 gives 1. 0786, so 7.86% more people voted leave, you would need a 15.72% swing to reverse the percentages.

I get the feeling many of the leave people are not that hot at maths thinking there was only a 4% majority.

marton · #**2409** 26.06.2016, 15:22

	Quote:	Chuff
	The 350m was a statistic plucked from the total number we pay out before rebates. It was hastily taken and fact-checked. Their bad. Regardless of what with hindsight and more digging true amount is now, the message was that they want to use the money for struggling areas of the UK services. They also did not say it 'all' would go to the NHS.

Seems clear here that they did say "all to the NHS".

Maybe cynical people like you and me did not believe but many voters would have believed it.

"It was hastily taken and fact-checked." Cameron announced the referendum date on Feb 18th so they had plenty of time to prepare an honest campaign.

porsch1909 · #**2410** 26.06.2016, 15:23

	Quote:	marton
	Seems clear here that they did say "all to the NHS". Maybe cynical people like you and me did not believe but many voters would have believed it. "It was hastily taken and fact-checked." Cameron announced the referendum date on Feb 18th so they had plenty of time to prepare an honest campaign.

Nothing to do with Farrage though

Chuff · #**2411** 26.06.2016, 15:26

	Quote:
	Please can someone post a photo of the Leave Campaign bus- with Boris. Where does it say that Richdog? Now you and I possible realised it was a total lie- many people who voted leave actually believed it, and voted accordingly (yes, I know). No other business would be allowed to make such claims in advertising and get away with it. The kind of Malboro adverts we had about fags making you good-looking, sexy, healthy and extremely good at sport. Where is the Trades Description Act here?

Potential prime ministers make equally bare-faced manipulations each time there is an election, and however unpalatable that may be, it's nothing new or surprising in mainstream politics.

It's in naive to think that this 350m figure somehow carried the election, because had the figure been 190m it would have likely been the same outcome. Let's not sit here blaming relatively inconsequential things like this for the current situation, let's blame the institutions that have caused such a well of dissatisfaction among the population that it has even come to this point. There is a bigger picture, and it does not lie in the shady claims made by both camps during this referendum.

Jim2007 · #**2412** 26.06.2016, 15:30

	Quote:	pilatus1
	The second referendum petition is a farce.

The whole thing is a farce:
- A sovereign parliament
- A non binding referendum
- A petition requiring the matter to be discussed by the parliament

What stand should an MP take:
- The mandate that elected him?
- The outcome of the referendum, even if he disagrees with it?
- Make up his own mind?

And what if the parliament were to ignore the out come of the referendum, as Boris seems to be suggesting to put it off for a while.... ironically all the people could do is look to the EU to enforce the outcome of the referendum and even there it would mean a long uncertain legal battle in the European courts!

It seems that political reform is badly needed in the UK.

#**2413** 26.06.2016, 15:30

In such a close result, it is not inconsequential at all. 1000s feel cheated that clear promises made in many forms, bus, posters and interviews- were just pure lies and regret their vote.

In a 60/40 result it would not matter. Their tactics have been as bad as those used by SVP/UDC. Pure lies.

It is indeed naïve to have believed them, I agree. I didn't, but many did and feel they were cheated.

ZuriRollt · #**2414** 26.06.2016, 15:33

	Quote:
	Please can someone post a photo of the Leave Campaign bus- with Boris. Where does it say that Richdog? Now you and I possible realised it was a total lie- many people who voted leave actually believed it, and voted accordingly (yes, I know). No other business would be allowed to make such claims in advertising and get away with it. The kind of Malboro adverts we had about fags making you good-looking, sexy, healthy and extremely good at sport. Where is the Trades Description Act here?

Did the (UK) vote based on what was printed on buses? (makes sense).

Chuff · #**2415** 26.06.2016, 15:37

	Quote:
	In such a close result, it is not inconsequential at all. 1000s feel cheated that clear promises made in many forms, bus, posters and interviews- were just pure lies and regret their vote. In a 60/40 result it would not matter. Their tactics have been as bad as those used by SVP/UDC. Pure lies. It is indeed naïve to have believed them, I agree. I didn't, but many did and feel they were cheated.

Manipulative BS was spoken by BOTH sides, not just Leave!

pilatus1 · #**2416** 26.06.2016, 15:39

	Quote:
	1000s feel cheated ...

out of 17.5 million who voted Leave?

Slaphead · #**2417** 26.06.2016, 15:42

	Quote:	ZuriRollt
	Did the (UK) vote based on what was printed on buses? (makes sense).

Judging by a number of people I know back in the UK the answer to that would unfortunately be highly likely.

ZuriRollt · #**2418** 26.06.2016, 15:43

	Quote:
	please can someone post a photo of the leave campaign bus.

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#**2419** 26.06.2016, 15:48

Indeed, sad but true. And posters, and the same promises made in interviews and thoughout the campaign.

Especially those who were led to believe that the difficulties they were experiencing with the NHS, getting appointments or being on a waiting lists, etc- was not due to the deliberate undermining of the NHS by the gvt in order to bring in privatisation by the back door - but due to the immigrants.

I'd say it would be very naïve indeed to believe that a significant % of leavers DID NOT (LATER EDIT) believe the NHS would benefit massively and directly from the so called 350 million 'given' to the EU. Naïve in the extreme.

Jim2007 · #**2420** 26.06.2016, 15:48

	Quote:	marton
	Why are they happy to wait for the benefits that they voted for, nobody even publishes how long they will have to wait?

'cause they are all mindful of their own political careers! No one wants to be the one to fail in the negotiations, why do you think they wanted DC to remain on... only he did not play ball.