The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	So adorable that you believe election promises .

Do you mean there won't be 5000 more GPs and 52 weeks mat pay and better childcare options and more affordable housing and.... you may as well just smother all the fairies with a Santa cushion and have done...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	In the 2017 election, both main parties promised to “respect the result of the referendum”. They ended up winning between them more than 80% of the popular vote.

'Popular vote' is an American term to distinguish one vote from the Electoral College vote. Funny for a Brit to use the term when referring to a British GE.

[John William]

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	So adorable that you believe election promises .

I've lost count of the number of times elections promises have been broken by successive
governments once they have come into power over the years in Britain.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	In the 2017 election, both main parties promised to “respect the result of the referendum”. They ended up winning between them more than 80% of the popular vote.

I am surprised they did not form a coalition

After the 2017 election, we were led by a minority government. So not surprising Brexit was not delivered.

If people really wanted Brexit they should have given May the mandate she requested; clearly they did not want that!

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	If people really wanted Brexit they should have given May the mandate she requested; clearly they did not want that!

Not all tories want Brexit. Also, not all Brexiteers would vote tories just for one theme.

Anyway, it's going around in circles. Let's wait for the twice in a lifetime vote. Then everything will be fine

[bowlie]

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	Let's wait for the twice in a lifetime vote.

I really hate to say it, but to get a second vote, a third vote will have to be promised. And then a fourth ... erc.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I really hate to say it, but to get a second vote, a third vote will have to be promised. And then a fourth ... erc.

A once in a week vote?
Or annually at 1st April?
Or every Friday the 13nd?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Let's wait for the twice in a lifetime vote. Then everything will be fine

Always thought the whole 'once in a lifetime' thing was just Cameron being a precious little drama queen.

[John William]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Not all tories want Brexit. Also, not all Brexiteers would vote tories just for one theme. Anyway, it's going around in circles. Let's wait for the twice in a lifetime vote. Then everything will be fine

Are there any Remainers left in the Tory party ? as I thought Dom had purged whats left of them.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Always thought the whole 'once in a lifetime' thing was just Cameron being a precious little drama queen.

I had an experience that was billed as 'once in a lifetime' I won't be doing that again.

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I really hate to say it, but to get a second vote, a third vote will have to be promised. And then a fourth ... erc.

Why not?
UK general elections are now a biennial event.
If the UK wants the opportunity to change its government every two years why not review the EU decision multiple times?

[marton]

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	I had an experience that was billed as 'once in a lifetime' I won't be doing that again.

We need photos

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Not all tories want Brexit. Also, not all Brexiteers would vote tories just for one theme. Anyway, it's going around in circles. Let's wait for the twice in a lifetime vote. Then everything will be fine

The first referendum will just make a mockery of any future versions, unfortunately. The whole thing is so screwed up and broken it will just prolong the agony.

Having said that, it would be interesting to see how it would turn out now that people are more aware of the true implications. Now everybody is starkly aware of the impact on Northern Ireland, trade deals are certainly not the piece-of-cake the Leave campaign was promising, and the true economic forecasts have also come to light.

[bowlie]

Not to mention the effect on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It could end up being England and Wales out and Scotland and Northern Ireland in the EU. Who knows where Gibraltar will fall, likely SNIG.

Yes I understand that few Englishmen/women would give a toss about the other countries but ...

[amogles]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Not to mention the effect on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It could end up being England and Wales out and Scotland and Northern Ireland in the EU. Who knows where Gibraltar will fall, likely SNIG. Yes I understand that few Englishmen/women would give a toss about the other countries but ...

surely those who demand the right to leave and demand that a referendum result be respected should extend the same courtesy to others, no?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Not to mention the effect on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The UK is coming to an end regardless... the GFA will see to that once a border poll is held. And the fastest way to ship good to the UK from NI is via Dublin not over to Scotland and then drive down.... which means NI businesses would have to deal with customs any way.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The UK is coming to an end regardless... the GFA will see to that once a border poll is held. And the fastest way to ship good to the UK from NI is via Dublin not over to Scotland and then drive down.... which means NI businesses would have to deal with customs any way.

On a per ton and per mile basis, the cheapest mode of shipping by a long margin is the ship. On the other hand, ports and the handling of stuff there are costly. So if you're going to be putting stuff onto boats anyway, you might as well take those boats as close to the final destination as possible.

This is the reason that across Europe and the world, countless smaller ports are braving the tide of concentration and centralizaion and still handling sufficient goods to remain in business. It's also the reason that in large megaports such as Rotterdam, a considerable amount of transhipment is not from boats onto trains or trucks but from one boat to another.

	Quote:	amogles
	On a per ton and per mile basis, the cheapest mode of shipping by a long margin is the ship. On the other hand, ports and the handling of stuff there are costly. So if you're going to be putting stuff onto boats anyway, you might as well take those boats as close to the final destination as possible.

About 1/3 of Dublin traffic overall is Ro-Ro and most of the non-bulk traffic. For that traffic handling is largely irrelevant. A fair bit is agricultural where speed is most important. Even for industrial products, JIT manufacturing has a heavy impact pushing in the speed direction.

Absolute nonsense from Johnson

https://www.facebook.com/votelovenot...4180123636450/

as for the BBC's impartiality- Boris looked a mess yesterday (whilst Corbyn made sure he looked smart and dapper after all the criticism of his raincoat last year) - he stepped out of line at all the wrong time, and layed the reef upside down! Must have been quite a hangover he had.

So what did the BBC do 'by mistake' - show the footage of 2016 when he looked well turned out and went through the procedure correcty. Ooops- apparently engineer was 'tired'.

[marton]

Interesting day

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	Hillary Clinton has called Downing Street’s suppression of a report into potential Russian infiltration of British politics “damaging, inexplicable and shaming”. The 2016 US presidential candidate told the Guardian it was “incredibly surprising and unacceptable that in your country there is a government report sitting there about Russian influence and your current government isn’t releasing it”.

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	Brexit party will not contest 317 Tory-won seats, Farage says

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I expect Boris offered Farage a peerage
I cannot believe what a seedy bunch!