The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 1218

bowlie · #**24341** 11.11.2019, 17:52

Farage appears ready to do anything to stop a second referendum. I wonder why?

I wonder if he remembers Canute?

Fish Paste · #**24342** 11.11.2019, 18:19

It sounds like they consider the website of Gina Miller a real threat.

#**24343** 11.11.2019, 18:21

It's all deeply shite. Who knows what kind of backroom arrangement Farage and Johnson must have made.

Edit: a Sir-ship apparently.

Anyone else thinks he looks like a tortoise in a bad suit?

#**24344** 11.11.2019, 18:22

And so it has come to pass- Farage has been offered, among gawd what else- a Peerage. Wow they stink

John William · #**24345** 11.11.2019, 20:07

Boris Johnson leaving Conservative Party HQ an hour ago, with a bystander leaving him in no
doubt what he thinks of Boris as PM.

https://www.facebook.com/steven.bray...4818098262382/

marton · #**24346** 11.11.2019, 20:15

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Not all tories want Brexit. Also, not all Brexiteers would vote tories just for one theme. Anyway, it's going around in circles. Let's wait for the twice in a lifetime vote. Then everything will be fine

Brexit was not important enough for Brexiteers to vote Tory to ensure Brexit happened, QED.

Brexit will have more lifetimes than a cat

TonyClifton · #**24347** 11.11.2019, 20:52

	Quote:	Blueangel
	'Popular vote' is an American term to distinguish one vote from the Electoral College vote. Funny for a Brit to use the term when referring to a British GE.

What an odd thing to say. The term “Popular vote” has been in regular use in British English for a good few years now. Perhaps you just have a problem with foreign influence on the English language?

TonyClifton · #**24348** 11.11.2019, 20:55

Thank the Lord that Nigel Farage has seen sense! He could have gone further but putting country before party is the correct thing to do. God willing we will now see a majority elected to Parliament that will see Brexit through so that the country can begin the process of moving on.

#**24349** 11.11.2019, 20:58

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	What an odd thing to say. The term “Popular vote” has been in regular use in British English for a good few years now. Perhaps you just have a problem with foreign influence on the English language?

I have a problem with foreign influence on the British government.

If it turns out that the despicable toads who pass for modern Tories have been colluding with foreigners, it will be time to sharpen those spikes on the Traitors' Gate again.

And they call Corbyn a security liability?

Jim2007 · #**24350** 11.11.2019, 22:30

	Quote:	bowlie
	Farage appears ready to do anything to stop a second referendum. I wonder why? I wonder if he remembers Canute?

I suspect he does not have the financial resources to fight a general election and he wants to come a way with something of himself - Lord Nigel, then he can go a spout nonsense somewhere else after he looses the EP..

#**24351** 11.11.2019, 22:52

	Quote:	bowlie
	Farage appears ready to do anything to stop a second referendum. I wonder why? I wonder if he remembers Canute?

Remember him? He IS a massive Canute.

Dinivan · #**24352** 12.11.2019, 00:31

Yet another example on why the first past the post system does not cope well when the parties are too far apart in the ideological spectrum. Farage does not want to win, he knows he can't. But he will try to make someone else lose, because with this system either you win or lose everything, nothing in between. He is trying to stab democracy in the back by lowering the votes of labour just so that the Tories can win seats with a minority of the total votes. This is sad. I hope labour brexiteers see reason and don't fall for the trap. But if they are brexiteers I guess that's an oxymoron.

By the way the Libdems have done something similar but I see a big difference, which is that their aim is to win those seats for themselves, not to make someone else lose.

Jim2007 · #**24353** 12.11.2019, 01:37

	Quote:	Dinivan
	Yet another example on why the first past the post system does not cope well when the parties are too far apart in the ideological spectrum. Farage does not want to win, he knows he can't. But he will try to make someone else lose, because with this system either you win or lose everything, nothing in between. He is trying to stab democracy in the back by lowering the votes of labour just so that the Tories can win seats with a minority of the total votes. This is sad. I hope labour brexiteers see reason and don't fall for the trap. But if they are brexiteers I guess that's an oxymoron. By the way the Libdems have done something similar but I see a big difference, which is that their aim is to win those seats for themselves, not to make someone else lose.

There is nothing anti democracy about parties voting tactics. And if you think a PR system would improve the system it will not, in fact it will open up a lot of other possibilities.

Ireland uses PR and voters have twice rejected proposals to change it, so they do like it and the tricks they can play with it, they have a term for it, they call it ‘organizing the vote’. If properly done a party can ensure that it’s best candidates get elected while ensuring the worst candidates of the opposition are elected. Or a town or part of the constituency can use 2 and 3 voting to give their preferred candidate a ‘bit of a shock’ by forcing him to wait until the third or fourth count to get elected, it’s a way of saying ‘we still want you, but you need to get your act together’. And so on.

fatmanfilms · #**24354** 12.11.2019, 07:58

	Quote:
	Edit: a Sir-ship apparently.

A knighthood actually

	Quote:
	And so it has come to pass- Farage has been offered, among gawd what else- a Peerage. Wow they stink

A Peerage is something else, however he will be listed in the Peerage book & website.

It's hardly surprising & not unusual in any way that he will get a title for his work.

#**24355** 12.11.2019, 08:08

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	A knighthood actually A Peerage is something else, however he will be listed in the Peerage book & website. It's hardly surprising & not unusual in any way that he will get a title for his work.

According to Farage it was a peerage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9198996.html

#**24356** 12.11.2019, 08:11

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	What an odd thing to say. The term “Popular vote” has been in regular use in British English for a good few years now. Perhaps you just have a problem with foreign influence on the English language?

Yeah but the term “Popular vote” in British English normally is only used in the context of the X Factor and Britain’s Got Talent and similar. Not used so much in politics.

marton · #**24357** 12.11.2019, 10:01

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	A knighthood actually A Peerage is something else, however he will be listed in the Peerage book & website. It's hardly surprising & not unusual in any way that he will get a title for his work.

Farage already has a title; begins with F.

The UK economy grew at the slowest annual rate in nearly a decade in the third quarter as uncertainty over Brexit continued to weigh on business.

The country managed to dodge a recession, with quarterly growth rebounding to 0.3% after a negative reading in the second quarter.

Source

And Brexit has not happened yet.

#**24358** 12.11.2019, 10:08

The abbreviations for the Conservatives in UK is 'cons' - yes, of course.

Fish Paste · #**24359** 12.11.2019, 10:16

Brexit (the Conservative version) seems like a done deal now.
Unless someone can see a way it's not?

#**24360** 12.11.2019, 10:16

	Quote:	marton
	Farage already has a title; begins with F.

I thought he was a Count as people are often heard saying "that Count Farage". At least that's what I think they are saying.

	Quote:	marton
	The UK economy grew at the slowest annual rate in nearly a decade in the third quarter as uncertainty over Brexit continued to weigh on business. The country managed to dodge a recession, with quarterly growth rebounding to 0.3% after a negative reading in the second quarter. Source And Brexit has not happened yet.

The right wing media were jumping all over this yesterday as if it were some kind of monumental leap in the economy. Making a full picnic out of a few stale crumbs again.