The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Sorry to bang on about the plight of stood down BXP candidates, but this tickles me too much. Candidates who have lost thousands over this are being advised that they can claim compensation under 'Unfair Trading Regulations 2008' and 'European Unfair Commercial Practices Directive (2005/29/EC)'. Oh the irony! https://twitter.com/fairhurstpaul10/...61961065422849

Maybe it was not such a great idea to set up the Brexit Party as a plc, not a political party

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Maybe it was not such a great idea to set up the Brexit Party as a plc, not a political party

Especially seeing as Jo Maugham has just offered to help one branch to sue BXP for compensation

https://twitter.com/BrexitEssex/stat...41979816669184

[Blueangel]

He's just extended his offer of legal help.


https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...05315209277440

	Quote:	Blueangel
	He's just extended his offer of legal help. Attachment 138133 https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...05315209277440

Is that meant to read like a PPI cold call?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	He's just extended his offer of legal help. Attachment 138133 https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...05315209277440

Goodness! I can't stop laughing. He's great, love his twitter page.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:
	Beat me to it. So instead of pioneering future energy tech, the UK can now console itself with fracking the sh1t out of pretty market towns.

Pioneering future tech (or lack of) is one of the main reason I voted for Brexit. Take the politics away and look at the EU and you’ll see it’s hopelessly ill-prepared for what’s coming. Look at the largest companies in the EU, they’re either banks or insurance companies, car manufacturers or oil and gas firms. Dinosaurs from a bygone age. There’s no tech giants like Google, Facebook or Samsung.

Like the last days of the Roman Empire, the EU is living on its past glories and won’t be able to adapt to what’s coming. There’s a demographic time bomb that’s already gone off. Whilst the EU’s population gets old and decrepit, the likes of countries you’ve barely heard of will soon become economic power houses. Countries like Indonesia, Nigeria and Uganda will have populations that will dwarf Europe. And with higher populations comes higher economic output and growth. Its already happened in China and India, and it’s going to happen across the developing world soon too.

Meanwhile the EU thinks it can battle this tidal wave by stifling competition (level playing field) and by erecting barriers to trade. This is compounded by the EU’s addiction to welfare spending (it was Angela Merkel who observed the EU makes up 7% of the worlds population, 25% of its GDP and over half of its welfare spending). In spite of this recognition, nothing has been done to change matters. The single biggest cost of the EU is still the CAP which shows no sign of going away because French farmers refuse to innovate.

Economically speaking, I don’t think long term Brexit will make a big difference one way or the other. The biggest advantage I see, and the main reason I voted for Brexit, is it will give the UK the flexibility to act on what’s going to take place in the next 50 years.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Pioneering future tech (or lack of) is one of the main reason I voted for Brexit. Take the politics away and look at the EU and you’ll see it’s hopelessly ill-prepared for what’s coming. Look at the largest companies in the EU, they’re either banks or insurance companies, car manufacturers or oil and gas firms. Dinosaurs from a bygone age. There’s no tech giants like Google, Facebook or Samsung. Like the last days of the Roman Empire, the EU is living on its past glories and won’t be able to adapt to what’s coming. There’s a demographic time bomb that’s already gone off. Whilst the EU’s population gets old and decrepit, the likes of countries you’ve barely heard of will soon become economic power houses. Countries like Indonesia, Nigeria and Uganda will have populations that will dwarf Europe. And with higher populations comes higher economic output and growth. Its already happened in China and India, and it’s going to happen across the developing world soon too. Meanwhile the EU thinks it can battle this tidal wave by stifling competition (level playing field) and by erecting barriers to trade. This is compounded by the EU’s addiction to welfare spending (it was Angela Merkel who observed the EU makes up 7% of the worlds population, 25% of its GDP and over half of its welfare spending). In spite of this recognition, nothing has been done to change matters. The single biggest cost of the EU is still the CAP which shows no sign of going away because French farmers refuse to innovate. Economically speaking, I don’t think long term Brexit will make a big difference one way or the other. The biggest advantage I see, and the main reason I voted for Brexit, is it will give the UK the flexibility to act on what’s going to take place in the next 50 years.

If you swallowed all that as gospel truth then, yes, I too can see why you voted to Leave.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:
	Is that meant to read like a PPI cold call?

Yes but I reckon he'd love the chance of launching a class court action against Farage.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The single biggest cost of the EU is still the CAP which shows no sign of going away because French farmers refuse to innovate.

Nothing to do with that (and these days not really true anyway). France has something like 17% of the EUs agricultural land and 17% of the EUs agricultural output so gets about 17% of the CAP.

Given the extent of insect armageddon, I would be very happy if farmers actually were more likely to refuse to innovate in the direction I'm pretty sure you mean.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:
	If you swallowed all that as gospel truth then, yes, I too can see why you voted to Leave.

I love how he loves making decisions for other people's kids, but not for his own.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Reason not to apply for whole family is that you are taking a decision that will have an impact on your kids in later life.

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...ml#post3102977

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Kids have EU passports already so that side of matters doesn’t enter the equation. I myself fully support military service however I don’t think it’s right for me to take that decision on kids behalf.

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...ml#post3103071

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Whilst the EU’s population gets old and decrepit, the likes of countries you’ve barely heard of will soon become economic power houses. Countries like Indonesia, Nigeria and Uganda will have populations that will dwarf Europe. And with higher populations comes higher economic output and growth. Its already happened in China and India, and it’s going to happen across the developing world soon too.

With the greatest respect, I've been running pub quizzes for a decade, I bet I've heard of more countries than you and my daddy is bigger than your daddy.

[John William]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Pioneering future tech (or lack of) is one of the main reason I voted for Brexit. Take the politics away and look at the EU and you’ll see it’s hopelessly ill-prepared for what’s coming. Look at the largest companies in the EU, they’re either banks or insurance companies, car manufacturers or oil and gas firms. Dinosaurs from a bygone age. There’s no tech giants like Google, Facebook or Samsung. Like the last days of the Roman Empire, the EU is living on its past glories and won’t be able to adapt to what’s coming. There’s a demographic time bomb that’s already gone off. Whilst the EU’s population gets old and decrepit, the likes of countries you’ve barely heard of will soon become economic power houses. Countries like Indonesia, Nigeria and Uganda will have populations that will dwarf Europe. And with higher populations comes higher economic output and growth. Its already happened in China and India, and it’s going to happen across the developing world soon too. Meanwhile the EU thinks it can battle this tidal wave by stifling competition (level playing field) and by erecting barriers to trade. This is compounded by the EU’s addiction to welfare spending (it was Angela Merkel who observed the EU makes up 7% of the worlds population, 25% of its GDP and over half of its welfare spending). In spite of this recognition, nothing has been done to change matters. The single biggest cost of the EU is still the CAP which shows no sign of going away because French farmers refuse to innovate. Economically speaking, I don’t think long term Brexit will make a big difference one way or the other. The biggest advantage I see, and the main reason I voted for Brexit, is it will give the UK the flexibility to act on what’s going to take place in the next 50 years.

That must be the gospel as dreamt up by Dominic Cummings, embellished by the ERG before being uttered by
the likes of Boris and Rees-Mogg and I love the punch line at the end,
namely it's going to take 50 years for Brexit Britain to benefit from such a dream !!


Another classic Mañana, mañana from a Brexiteer.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Pioneering future tech (or lack of) is one of the main reason I voted for Brexit. Take the politics away and look at the EU and you’ll see it’s hopelessly ill-prepared for what’s coming. Look at the largest companies in the EU, they’re either banks or insurance companies, car manufacturers or oil and gas firms. Dinosaurs from a bygone age. There’s no tech giants like Google, Facebook or Samsung. Like the last days of the Roman Empire, the EU is living on its past glories and won’t be able to adapt to what’s coming. There’s a demographic time bomb that’s already gone off. Whilst the EU’s population gets old and decrepit, the likes of countries you’ve barely heard of will soon become economic power houses. Countries like Indonesia, Nigeria and Uganda will have populations that will dwarf Europe. And with higher populations comes higher economic output and growth. Its already happened in China and India, and it’s going to happen across the developing world soon too. Meanwhile the EU thinks it can battle this tidal wave by stifling competition (level playing field) and by erecting barriers to trade. This is compounded by the EU’s addiction to welfare spending (it was Angela Merkel who observed the EU makes up 7% of the worlds population, 25% of its GDP and over half of its welfare spending). In spite of this recognition, nothing has been done to change matters. The single biggest cost of the EU is still the CAP which shows no sign of going away because French farmers refuse to innovate. Economically speaking, I don’t think long term Brexit will make a big difference one way or the other. The biggest advantage I see, and the main reason I voted for Brexit, is it will give the UK the flexibility to act on what’s going to take place in the next 50 years.

This may as well begin with "Once upon a time" ...

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Like the last days of the Roman Empire, the EU is living on its past glories and won’t be able to adapt to what’s coming.

I kind of agree with that but it counts for Europe, not the EU.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Countries like Indonesia, Nigeria and Uganda will have populations that will dwarf Europe. And with higher populations comes higher economic output and growth. Its already happened in China and India, and it’s going to happen across the developing world soon too.

I don't see that happen. Yes, they are growing and often innovative, but their key strength seems to be cheap (cheap production resources, cheap offshoring). That's doesn't get a country anywhere.

[John William]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Countries like Indonesia, Nigeria and Uganda will have populations that will dwarf Europe. And with higher populations comes higher economic output and growth.

How can their populations grow any higher when most of them would rather live elsewhere ?
Also what about Global Warming ? because that alone could make these countries so hot,
they would become almost unlivable and what about 'the low lying developing countries ?'
surely they would be in danger of being engulfed by rising sea levels, thanks to Global Warming.

[amogles]

	Quote:	John William
	How can their populations grow any higher when most of them would rather live elsewhere ? Also what about Global Warming ? because that alone could make these countries so hot, they would become almost unlivable and what about 'the low lying developing countries ?' surely they would be in danger of being engulfed by rising sea levels, thanks to Global Warming.

There are quite a few very succesful countries in utterly unlivable and hostile places. Dubai for example.

The Dutch started building dykes and reclaiming low-lying land long before they started being rich.

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:
	Tesla to build their new plant and R&D centre in Germany instead of the UK citing Brexit as the reason. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...lant-elon-musk

Picking it apart, they were always going to build the plant in Germany, the UK has lost out on the R&D centre.

That said, was he talking 'Trump' when he said he'd open it in the UK anyway?
Makes sense to put them together you'd have thought.

Still a bit of a blow though.

[John William]

	Quote:	amogles
	There are quite a few very succesful countries in utterly unlivable and hostile places. Dubai for example. The Dutch started building dykes and reclaiming low-lying land long before they started being rich.

Obviously the UK must be well behind the Dutch to be caught out so badly by the floods in Northern England.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Like the last days of the Roman Empire, the EU is living on its past glories and won’t be able to adapt to what’s coming.

Careful with what you wish for. He who digs a pit will fall into it; if someone rolls a stone, it will roll back on them.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Careful with what you wish for. He who digs a pit will fall into it; if someone rolls a stone, it will roll back on them.

Poster like TonyClifton always seem to ignore the obvious - the EU, USA, China etc... have no intention of sitting back while the UK some magically move forward ahead of them. Of course they won't and they have far more resources and capabilities to enforce their position than a junior partner, with is what the UK is about to become.

They also ignore the fact that if you at the history of the EU it is actually very capable of reform, it's just that that reform does not suit him, so he choose to ignore it and pretend it does not happen.

For instance the EU is second only to the US when it comes to military spending and as the focus moves a way from NATO and onto coordinated EU defence spending you can expect more cash will be available for investment in European projects and the UK will not be in the queue for either US or EU military spending and so on. Going it alone seeking to built a technology basis is not on the cards but anyway...