The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	Why are you so afraid of paying tax? Don't you believe in paying your fair share for proper public services?

That's what I actually love about Switzerland: a fair share and proper public services.
Probably also one of the few countries in the world that has referendums about its tax system.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Why are you so afraid of paying tax? Don't you believe in paying your fair share for proper public services? I bet the upper classes would change their attitude to public services if they were obliged to use them alongside the rest of us plebs.

I pay more tax living in Malta than I would if I lived in the UK, so not afraid of paying taxes. Governments are generally very inefficient spending other people’s money

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	That's what I actually love about Switzerland: a fair share and proper public services. Probably also one of the few countries in the world that has referendums about its tax system.

Switzerland is a huge tax haven & by choosing exactly where you live can cut your tax bill in half or more!

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Second home owners who live abroad will be easy prey & currency controls so people cant take their money abroad. Before Mrs Thatcher ended currency controls in 1979 you could only take £600 per person when leaving the UK, 1 reason that Thomas Cooke & package holiday were so popular. Of course the only £8 a week extra tax on 80k does not add up as it produces roughly £350 million, about 0.3% of the NHS budget. If the smug grins do vanish along with their money, then the working man will have to pay far more as he did in the 1970's when base tax rate was 34% & personal allowance £720 (£2736 inflation adjusted rather than £12,500 today). Someone earning £15000 would pay £4169 under Labours old rules v £500 today. Oh & there was NI on top as well The Conservatives have cut taxes for the poorest 43% of adults who pay currently ZERO.

Reminds me shortly before 1979 I had a business trip into Europe and I declared I was carrying less than £1 so they searched me; luckily without rubber gloves!
The gaping hole in the £600 per person limit was that one could pay abroad with credit cards without any questions later; at least in my experience.
The other benefit I had was the local affiliates of the multinational I worked for were happy to advance local currency in cash; later to be justified by handing in receipts. Also avoided irritating rules by the UK affiliate on limits on how much one could spend on meals, hotels, and entertainment.

Must admit I am still stumped about which party I would vote for, basically because I do not see a PM candidate I would be proud of!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Reminds me shortly before 1979 I had a business trip into Europe...

Yap the good old days... NOT. The first stage of the dance - the CBI and the BOE got together and argued over the limits for the next month... next step was that on the first working day of the next month, juniors like myself were dispatched to both the CBI and BOE offices with the same client request to authorise forex transactions... if you got one of the two approved a happy client, if you got both approved a happy client and a sad banker as you'd loose one the forms and the quota would go unused... both rejected, then a sad client....

Then Ireland stopped using sterling... sad accounting firms - no more easy fees from getting approvals.... very sad juniors - no more spending your days drinking coffee and shooting the breeze with your mates at the CBI or BOE while waiting to get your requests approved....

Even small accounting and legal firms in Ireland and the UK, used to try and recruit trainees with suggestions of international travel.... UK trainees discovered that international travel was Dublin and Irish trainees discover it was London!

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Define so many? And have you met all of them or what are you basing your allegations on? Clearly not true from where I stand, if you follow what's going on there, in the press, within parties etc. I always liked when people bring in their anecdotes as a final argument and show that sort of outrage - how comes you do not think like me? How? How? I'm the holder of the supreme truth, I've talked to my neighbours and they confirmed I'm right. Here. Also, I agree with those who questioned your intentions and your identity because it does matter in this case, internet is not a free pass to unchecked political agendas you know, and also because you tend to be rather aggressive when confronted. You expected an easy way here, surprise surprise......How internet is changing, no? Perhaps people are less naive than say 3 years ago? Ha! Also, I would question any post(er) constantly thanked by a few people here, just so you know.

You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks. It was basically looking into censorship in UK Universities where the likes of Germaine Greer and Jordan Peterson have been no-platformed in the last few years (I’ll post a link below).

There was one question in the study relating to Brexit asking how comfortable students would be airing their views in the classroom. For pro-Brexit students only 39% said they’d feel comfortable. Contrast this to the 89% of pro-remain students who said that they wouldn’t have a problem expressing their views.

I believe you could probably take these figures and extrapolate them elsewhere (i.e. this forum). You say that I get aggressive when confronted, which is of course preposterous when one looks at how mild mannered I’ve been considering the accusations that have been levelled against me. On the other hand one feels a deep burning sense of righteous indignation from a majority on here that anyone dare challenge their views. Perhaps you’ve been a member too long to notice.


https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-con...-in-the-UK.pdf

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks. It was basically looking into censorship in UK Universities where the likes of Germaine Greer and Jordan Peterson have been no-platformed in the last few years (I’ll post a link below). There was one question in the study relating to Brexit asking how comfortable students would be airing their views in the classroom. For pro-Brexit students only 39% said they’d feel comfortable. Contrast this to the 89% of pro-remain students who said that they wouldn’t have a problem expressing their views. I believe you could probably take these figures and extrapolate them elsewhere (i.e. this forum). You say that I get aggressive when confronted, which is of course preposterous when one looks at how mild mannered I’ve been considering the accusations that have been levelled against me. On the other hand one feels a deep burning sense of righteous indignation from a majority on here that anyone dare challenge their views. Perhaps you’ve been a member too long to notice. https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-con...-in-the-UK.pdf

Why should we pay any attention to a wilfully anonymous troll on the internet who has been given ample opportunity to clear the air yet still continues to blithely feed us with bullshit.

You're not a Brit. What are you?

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks. It was basically looking into censorship in UK Universities where the likes of Germaine Greer and Jordan Peterson have been no-platformed in the last few years (I’ll post a link below). There was one question in the study relating to Brexit asking how comfortable students would be airing their views in the classroom. For pro-Brexit students only 39% said they’d feel comfortable. Contrast this to the 89% of pro-remain students who said that they wouldn’t have a problem expressing their views. I believe you could probably take these figures and extrapolate them elsewhere (i.e. this forum). You say that I get aggressive when confronted, which is of course preposterous when one looks at how mild mannered I’ve been considering the accusations that have been levelled against me. On the other hand one feels a deep burning sense of righteous indignation from a majority on here that anyone dare challenge their views. Perhaps you’ve been a member too long to notice. https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-con...-in-the-UK.pdf

Think tank Policy Exchange is a centre right group.
The same study found "has revealed that fewer than half of university students in the UK consistently support freedom of speech."

This Brexit aspect of the study only confirms that university-educated people find "Leave" to be a dumb idea; which we already knew?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks.

You know that Policy Exchange is a centre right think tank co-founded by Michael Gove and rated 'E' for funding transparency?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You know that Policy Exchange is a centre right think tank co-founded by Michael Gove and rated 'E' for funding transparency?

Nice try, put our Tony knows for a fact that that is just fake news, they told him so and he has no reason to doubt them.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	Think tank Policy Exchange is a centre right group. The same study found "has revealed that fewer than half of university students in the UK consistently support freedom of speech." This Brexit aspect of the study only confirms that university-educated people find "Leave" to be a dumb idea; which we already knew?

That’s not what it has found at all, but your post does confirm your bias against Brexit voters.

Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You know that Policy Exchange is a centre right think tank co-founded by Michael Gove and rated 'E' for funding transparency?

How remiss of me to forget that everything is a conspiracy. We’ve already had a member talking of the media conspiracy to keep Jeremy Corbyn out of Number 10. Then there was the Jewish conspiracy to use anti-semitism as a political weapon to damage the Labour Party. In future I’ll be sure to only post links to pre-approved sources like Channel 4 news.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	That’s not what it has found at all, but your post does confirm your bias against Brexit voters. Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.

Since you aren't British, why should any of the Brits on this board care what you think about Remainers and Brexiteers?

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	That’s not what it has found at all, but your post does confirm your bias against Brexit voters. Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.

So what benefits do you believe will come from Leave?

	Quote:	marton
	So what benefits do you believe will come from Leave?

Anne Widecombe gives a fantastically thoughtful answer to a caller on the benefits of leaving the EU. If you were on the fence before, this is dynamite!

https://youtu.be/7dZjA92zCQ8

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.

1. Remain isn't "an idea". It's 40yrs of experience.
2. It was Farage et al who repeatedly told Brexiters that Remainers think they're "dumb" in an effort to whip up outrage and consolidate tribalism.
3. If you believe what Farage et al said r.e. "dumb", that makes you gullible.
4. If you're not gullible yet still push that concept, then you're spreading propaganda.

Which is it?

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	How remiss of me to forget that everything is a conspiracy.

Never said it was a conspiracy. It's propaganda. Huge difference. Absolutely massive difference!

[fatmanfilms]

The dishonest Jeramy Corbyn was taken to court in 1991 for failing to pay his fair share in taxes.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...4BZ0SIiI-AvmAo

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The dishonest Jeramy Corbyn was taken to court in 1991 for failing to pay his fair share in taxes. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...4BZ0SIiI-AvmAo

He refused to pay the Poll Tax, which was a deeply unfair and ineptly introduced regressive tax regime.

I was conservative leaning back then, and even I refused to pay it.

Try again.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The dishonest Jeramy Corbyn was taken to court in 1991 for failing to pay his fair share in taxes. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...4BZ0SIiI-AvmAo

Did you pay your fair share of taxes when you lived in the UK?

Sounds to me like your primary motivation in life is to avoid taxes wherever possible. It may be legal, but it's unlikely to be fair.

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	He refused to pay the Poll Tax, which was a deeply unfair and ineptly introduced regressive tax regime.

He sounds like a highly principled person. That would make a nice change in a prime minister.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Did you pay your fair share of taxes when you lived in the UK? Sounds to me like your primary motivation in life is to avoid taxes wherever possible. It may be legal, but it's unlikely to be fair. He sounds like a highly principled person. That would make a nice change in a prime minister.

Clearly I paid taxes when I lived in the UK, I paid 34% base rate from age 16 & the highest rate from age 21. My tax bill halved when I moved to CH earning more money than in the UK

I also paid Rates & Poll tax as demanded.