The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[TonyClifton]

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	Why not? You seem to be making a lot of generalisations about "working classes ". What has Oz got to do with the Dec GE?

It goes back to an exchange I was having over the changing political landscape in the English speaking world and how the modern Labour Party doesn’t represent Labour values anymore.

Generalisations is how political parties target voters. I presume you’re familiar with “Workington Man”? Generalising over voting habits of certain demographics of the electorate is perfectly normal.

[greenmount]

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	For Greenmount: What it is: https://youtu.be/ZeYSWIQqUDw How we talk: https://youtu.be/vb4MknMqwmA

Robert Plant is a Yam Yam?!! My respects, sir.

Btw, the old couple was adorable.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It goes back to an exchange I was having over the changing political landscape in the English speaking world and how the modern Labour Party doesn’t represent Labour values anymore. Generalisations is how political parties target voters. I presume you’re familiar with “Workington Man”? Generalising over voting habits of certain demographics of the electorate is perfectly normal.

According to Google, Workington Man is a competition who can tell the biggest lie, not who can make the biggest generalisation. What point are you trying to make here because it seems to have crashed and burned.

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	According to Google, Workington Man is a competition who can tell the biggest lie, not who can make the biggest generalisation. What point are you trying to make here because it seems to have crashed and burned.

This is what happens when imaginary Brits learn about English culture remotely, rather than actually living it like we have done.

Tony Clifton: you're busted. You're as British as Rasputin. What do you say to that?

[TonyClifton]

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	This is what happens when imaginary Brits learn about English culture remotely, rather than actually living it like we have done. Tony Clifton: you're busted. You're as British as Rasputin. What do you say to that?

I don’t know what I should say to that other than that you’re mistaken.

It probably says more about the membership on here that I get accused of being a Russian bot.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I don’t know what I should say to that other than that you’re mistaken. It probably says more about the membership on here that I get accused of being a Russian bot.

Where did you say you were from, again?

[Sky]

@Tony Clifton
We’re a pretty educated bunch of anglo-saxon expats (mixed with Swiss for some) with an acute awareness of refined not-so-noticeable differences.
It won’t fly to strongly proclaim native knowledge of one country if it isn’t true.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It goes back to an exchange I was having over the changing political landscape in the English speaking world and how the modern Labour Party doesn’t represent Labour values anymore. Generalisations is how political parties target voters. I presume you’re familiar with “Workington Man”? Generalising over voting habits of certain demographics of the electorate is perfectly normal.

Modern day UK doesn't represent huge amounts of the UK any more. Your point? Parties evolve. Or should we also be harking back for the days of rolling power cuts, picket lines and scabs?

Generalisations are, are they? Fancy that.

AFAIK or understand, the composite Workington Man was very short-lived and dismissed as a load of guff.

You still haven't answered my question about why you think the "working class" voter isn't concerned about the rights of working mums etc - your "point" about Jacinta Arden was unfinished.

I don't think you're a native Brit either. If you are, what's the first half of the postcode you spent most time at? S42 for me.

[Blueangel]

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	If you are, what's the first half of the postcode you spent most time at? S42 for me.

Oh FFS!!!!! Don't tell anyone you've got a famous spire ya numpty

[Raffles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Oh FFS!!!!! Don't tell anyone you've got a famous spire ya numpty

Don't get warped about it. ��

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Oh FFS!!!!! Don't tell anyone you've got a famous spire ya numpty

It's not mine personally. It's pretty interesting though.

I don't live there any more. Haven't for about 12 years.

[TonyClifton]

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	@Tony Clifton We’re a pretty educated bunch of anglo-saxon expats (mixed with Swiss for some) with an acute awareness of refined not-so-noticeable differences. It won’t fly to strongly proclaim native knowledge of one country if it isn’t true.

Extraordinary that a bunch of Anglo-Saxon expats can get something so wrong. As a bunch of internet sleuths I give you D-. It is peculiar though, I’ve come on here arguing very much mainstream views and get accused of being non native. I think it reveals a lot more about you than it does me.

I joined on this forum having followed it loosely for a number of years because I had a very specific question I wanted answering. I still find it odd that there are so few people on here sharing my political opinions when there are so many in UK that have them.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Extraordinary that a bunch of Anglo-Saxon expats can get something so wrong. As a bunch of internet sleuths I give you D-.... I still find it odd that there are so few people on here sharing my political opinions when there are so many in UK that have them.

But there simply is not. There just isn't. Not where I live. Not where I'm from. Not where my friends and family hail from.

And we aren't all Anglo-Saxons on here.

And you've still explained bugger all... just more empty sweeping statements.

However I see our resident drive-by-thanking-mod thinks you're on to something so...

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Extraordinary that a bunch of Anglo-Saxon expats can get something so wrong. As a bunch of internet sleuths I give you D-. It is peculiar though, I’ve come on here arguing very much mainstream views and get accused of being non native. I think it reveals a lot more about you than it does me. I joined on this forum having followed it loosely for a number of years because I had a very specific question I wanted answering. I still find it odd that there are so few people on here sharing my political opinions when there are so many in UK that have them.

You claim to be arguing mainstream views and then write "so few people on here sharing my political opinions".

I know this is a remote possibility but is it at all conceivable that you are actually not arguing mainstream views

[TonyClifton]

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	But there simply is not. There just isn't. Not where I live. Not where I'm from. Not where my friends and family hail from. And we aren't all Anglo-Saxons on here. And you've still explained bugger all... just more empty sweeping statements. However I see our resident drive-by-thanking-mod thinks you're on to something so...

Then perhaps you should step out from where you’re from. Where your friends and family hail from. Step away from the keyboard, Twitter and Facebook and go and speak to some real people. What you learn may surprise you.

I don’t need to explain anything. What I’ve put forward are arguments, points of view and ideas. These don’t need faces or identities. Try and argue what is being said rather than looking for a conspiracy that isn’t there.

[Blueangel]

Love this notice to canvassers (Contains swearing...lots of it)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKAjl2OX...pg&name=medium

[marton]

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	Modern day UK doesn't represent huge amounts of the UK any more. Your point? Parties evolve. Or should we also be harking back for the days of rolling power cuts, picket lines and scabs? Generalisations are, are they? Fancy that. AFAIK or understand, the composite Workington Man was very short-lived and dismissed as a load of guff. You still haven't answered my question about why you think the "working class" voter isn't concerned about the rights of working mums etc - your "point" about Jacinta Arden was unfinished. I don't think you're a native Brit either. If you are, what's the first half of the postcode you spent most time at? S42 for me.

GU22, where there is a Pizza Express popular with Royalty

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Then perhaps you should step out from where you’re from. Where your friends and family hail from. Step away from the keyboard, Twitter and Facebook and go and speak to some real people. What you learn may surprise you.

Perhaps you should get out in the real world. I'm there every day. You spout glib statements that mean nothing, say nothing and have a proven inability to back up your empty utterances. You don't have a scooby, flower, seriously.

[Blueangel]

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	You don't have a scooby, flower, seriously.

*stiffling the urge to sing "Here I am, walking Primrose"*

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Extraordinary that a bunch of Anglo-Saxon expats can get something so wrong. As a bunch of internet sleuths I give you D-. It is peculiar though, I’ve come on here arguing very much mainstream views and get accused of being non native. I think it reveals a lot more about you than it does me. I joined on this forum having followed it loosely for a number of years because I had a very specific question I wanted answering. I still find it odd that there are so few people on here sharing my political opinions when there are so many in UK that have them.

Why are you being so evasive? It's obvious that you are neither British nor live in Switzerland. Why don't you come clean? "Hey, I'm an American libertarian with an interest in European affairs" or "Well, I'm originally Polish but I lived in Swindon for a few years and grew to love the people" or whatever.

But no: when called out on your slipperiness, you try to turn it back on us.

Cut out the bullshit, Bernie. Tell us what you're really up to.