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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 25.11.2019, 13:45
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Absolutely not. That I do take things at face value with the awareness that my view may be altered as a result is the entire basis of intelligent skepticism. To be so distrusting and to dismiss information by assuming darker forces are at play from the outset is the purist form of the conspiracy theorist. Backing up ones counter arguments with information and facts doesn't work because you are dealing with people driven by emotion rather than reason.
Still, that backing up with facts and information is what seems to be missing in your arguments.

Are you British??
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Old 25.11.2019, 13:50
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Absolutely not. That I do take things at face value with the awareness that my view may be altered as a result is the entire basis of intelligent skepticism. To be so distrusting and to dismiss information by assuming darker forces are at play from the outset is the purist form of the conspiracy theorist. Backing up ones counter arguments with information and facts doesn't work because you are dealing with people driven by emotion rather than reason.
So you are saying that people who don't trust what is clearly a heavily biased report, and presenting facts and information as counter arguments is purely an emotional reaction?

And yet the fact you take the report "at face value" until someone presents you with facts and information to the contrary is not?

I think you are overworking the accusations of people disagreeing with you as being conspiracy theorists. People are just skeptical about the sources and funding of the articles you posted. You are probably looking for some kind of echo chamber if you don't want people questioning your links.
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Old 25.11.2019, 13:54
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Why? Have you read Labour's manifesto? Socialism has been tried a number of times before, and every time without fail it ends in poverty, tyranny and death. Every single time. Leaving the EU cannot possibly come close to this outcome.
You mean like "food banks", "current PM dogged in scandal, cheating and fraud", and "people dying as a result of gutted budgets in the NHS and policing"? That kind of "Poverty", "tyranny" and "death"?

You don't even NEED to be British to see that...
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Old 25.11.2019, 14:03
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You mean like "food banks", "current PM dogged in scandal, cheating and fraud", and "people dying as a result of gutted budgets in the NHS and policing"? That kind of "Poverty", "tyranny" and "death"?

You don't even NEED to be British to see that...
You should take a holiday to a country that has tried socialism for a lesson in reality.
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Still, that backing up with facts and information is what seems to be missing in your arguments.

Are you British??
I have already answered this question, yes I am British. If you missed that then you probably also missed the facts and information I’ve already posted.
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Old 25.11.2019, 14:06
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I have already answered this question, yes I am British. If you missed that then you probably also missed the facts and information I’ve already posted.
Funny, I did miss that but also cannot find facts you posted.
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You should take a holiday to a country that has tried socialism for a lesson in reality.
Do you mean a country which fits with your anti-Corbyn posturing, or a country which is ruled by a socialist party but does not claim to actually be socialist? Like Sweden? Yup, been there. Seemed ok. Everyone happy. Beer was a bit pricey, though.
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I have already answered this question, yes I am British.
The linguistic evidence says otherwise.
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Old 25.11.2019, 14:23
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The linguistic evidence says otherwise.
I dunno what you are talking about DB, Tony says he's from Kievdderminster.
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Old 25.11.2019, 15:07
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Minskchester? (sorry!)
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Old 25.11.2019, 15:20
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Selkirkutsk
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Old 25.11.2019, 15:28
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Old 25.11.2019, 15:35
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Moscow've been a good half hour, I reckon.
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Old 25.11.2019, 15:36
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Not very long: for reasons not entirely relevant here, whenever invited to think of a Russian city, Irkutsk is always the first one to come to mind...
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Old 25.11.2019, 15:40
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Not very long: for reasons not entirely relevant here, whenever invited to think of a Russian city, Irkutsk is always the first one to come to mind...
I'm sure she has fond memories of you, too
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Old 25.11.2019, 16:25
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Do you mean a country which fits with your anti-Corbyn posturing, or a country which is ruled by a socialist party but does not claim to actually be socialist? Like Sweden? Yup, been there. Seemed ok. Everyone happy. Beer was a bit pricey, though.
I don't believe you've looked at Labour's manifesto, nor understand Sweden's socioeconomic history. What Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party is proposing is more radical than what any other country in Europe is doing at the moment. The more attentive of you may have already realised that much of it is not possible with the UK remaining a member of the EU.

A few examples: “powerful interests that are causing climate change” would be expelled from the London Stock Exchange. Any reasonably large companies face having 10% of their value confiscated off them and handed to their workforce. Any sort of pay gap faces being penalised. Show me in Sweden where this sort of lunacy is practiced? If you think Brexit is risky, it is nothing compared to this.

The richest 5% will have to fund Corbyn’s crazy spending spree. In a country where the top 1% already contributes over a third of all tax revenue. Free university, free broadband, free personal care for the elderly, free dental checkups, free everything. This is before you get on to the amount of borrowing required to fund the extra spending for the various utilities and services he wants to nationalise as well the money he wants to throw at the NHS.

The man is an absolute danger. This is student Marxist politics. What would happen were Corbyn to win is that business would leave, the wealthy would leave, the very people who are supposed to fund this madness. The country would be left ruined and destroyed, the same as any other country that has ever tried socialism.

Emotion and hysteria has fully enveloped the Brexit debate, this has been clear for a long time. It is however truly remarkable that so many people have taken leave of their senses that they a) believe what Corbyn is advocating is even possible, b) think it’s preferable to Brexit and c) believe that Corbyn will even prevent Brexit.
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Risk, innit?
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I am British as well as being Spartacus!

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No, he's Spartak us
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